The no.1 Heavyweight nearly man

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Eggman, Apr 15, 2020.


Who was the ultimate nearly man?

Poll closed Apr 16, 2020.

  1. Axel Schulz

    4 vote(s)
    8.9%

  2. Ken Norton

    12 vote(s)
    26.7%

  3. Tua

    4 vote(s)
    8.9%

  4. Shavers

    2 vote(s)
    4.4%

  5. Golota

    10 vote(s)
    22.2%

  6. Ruddock

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%

  7. Povetkin

    11 vote(s)
    24.4%

  8. Joe mesi

    2 vote(s)
    4.4%
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  1. Eggman

    Eggman "The cream of the crop! Nobody does it better! Full Member

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    Norton in a handy lead with 37.5% of the vote
     
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  2. blackfella96

    blackfella96 Active Member Full Member

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    I count Norton as a world champ, but he was unlucky to not take the titles of Ali in their 3rd fight. Out of that list, Norton takes it.
     
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  3. Eggman

    Eggman "The cream of the crop! Nobody does it better! Full Member

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    Just out of interest how would you all rank them in terms of being the unluckiest/closest/shafted by judges?

    1-7
     
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  4. Eggman

    Eggman "The cream of the crop! Nobody does it better! Full Member

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    Povetkin beating ruddock and shavers

    drawing with Tua an Schulz

    interesting to see how it plays out
     
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  5. pistal47

    pistal47 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Didn't Norton very briefly hold a title? If not then my vote changes to him over Golata. Nobody got screwed like Norton, not even Schultz. Everyone else squandered their opportunities by losing myriad ways, but Norton and Schultz got screwed. Golata blew more chances than anyone by far I think.
     
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  6. Eggman

    Eggman "The cream of the crop! Nobody does it better! Full Member

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    Golota catching in second.

    Seems that Norton and golota are gonna be neck for number one.

    Iv added another nearly man, joe mesi.

    retired on medical advice with a record of 36 (29)-0

    notable wins
    Jirov
    Barrett
    Davaryl Williamson
    David Izon

    When mesi retired, he was in discussions to challenge lamon Brewster for his title. That must have been hard to take.

    All the hard work then told to retire when your in a position for a title shot
     
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  7. Dubblechin

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    Golota floored Ruiz twice and deserved the decision. How Ruiz got the nod, I have no idea. His trainer even got thrown out halfway thru the fight because he knew they were losing.

    Golota also drew with Byrd in a fight I thought he won. Byrd was supposed to be the ultimate boxer. Golota seemed to beat him at his own game.

    The scoring of those two title fights really screwed things up. We could've had three titles unified (when Golota fought Brewster).

    I will always believe Golota didn't get a fair shake at Madison Square Garden in those two bouts because of the riot between the Polish fans and Bowe's fans after the first Golota-Bowe fight.
     
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  8. Dubblechin

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    Jameel lost bids for all four titles. Wlad stopped him for the WBO belt. McCline floored Byrd in an IBF title fight but lost a close decision. McCline floored Sam Peter multiple times and lost a WBC title fight. And McCline was wiped out by Valuev in a WBA title fight.

    Boy, Chris Byrd was a terrible beltholder. You could make an argument he lost to McCline, Golota and Oquendo.
     
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  9. Eggman

    Eggman "The cream of the crop! Nobody does it better! Full Member

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    all fair points, but that can be a separate thread. Just asking about the 8 that came to my head first. Who came closest
     
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  10. Dubblechin

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    I thought you were adding people, with Mesi. Mesi never fought for the title. McCline had two of the champs he fought on the deck (Peter multiple times), but didn't get the decision.

    Of your current list, I still say Golota.

    Ken Norton was a champion. Golota wasn't. Neither was Shulz. But both should've been.
     
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  11. catchwtboxing

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    I'll pick Norton because he won the third Ali fight.
     
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  12. Eggman

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    The post is ‘nearly men’. This could be bad luck, judges, anything. Mesi was due to fight brewster for the title but he had to retire on medical advice.

    If you want to count Norton as a champ ok.

    so all you had to do was vote golota and say why. Just keep it on topic that’s all
     
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  13. UnleashtheFURY

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    I'd retract my vote if I could. Didn't see Norton there. He's #1, Povetkin #2 and Golota #3.
     
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  14. Big Ukrainian

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    OK, if that's the main criterion, then my vote goes to Shulz. He was robbed clearly against Foreman and even more so against Botha. Golota, in my opinion, beat Ruiz but lost to Byrd, Shavers lost to Ali clearly, he gave him close fight but Ali beat him clearly (9-6 on my card). Tua wasn't robbed against Lewis, Povetkin wasn't robbed against Klitschko and Joshua and helf WBA 'regular' belt. Norton was a WBC champion, so he doesn't count.

    And what the hell does Donovan Ruddock do in this list? He never fought for the title, he was beaten soundly by Tyson twice (yes, he never ever came close to beating Mike), he was demolished by Lennox Lewis and stopped by Tommy Morrison. He never came close to holding any kind of title
     
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  15. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Jerry Quarry
     
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