The notion that Marquez was sluggish vs Pacquiao is nonsense

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Genaro G, Dec 29, 2012.


  1. Genaro G

    Genaro G Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Every punch Marquez threw was with knockout intent. His left-hooks to the body were very fast, as fast as ive seen him throw it. The right hand Marquez landed after knocking Pac down in the 3rd was very fast, as well as the extremely hard right hand he threw in the 5th after being knocked down, buckled Pac, nearly putting him down.

    When you plant your feet and throw with knockout intent, u cant be as mobile, and when u miss, u miss wide due to the force of ur punch, which makes you look slow. This is why some thought or still think Danny Garcia is slow and too wide. Those left hooks he lands and took Khan/Morales out with are very quick, beautifully timed and untelegraphed.

    Marquez did not throw with such fury in the 3rd fight as in the 4th. He has never trained for the knockout as he did this time around, because that puts you in danger to be knocked out. What i loved about the 5th rd was immediately after Marquez was knocked down, he caught Pac with a right hand that would have ko'd Pac had it been disguised behind the jab as he did in the 6th. The body shots is what was killing pac. Beautiful.
     
  2. DrBanzai

    DrBanzai Active Member Full Member

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    Marquez was looking for the KO, a risky move but it payed off.
     
  3. steviebruno

    steviebruno ESB NYC Delegate banned Full Member

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    He looked fine to me. Manny Pacquiao is really, really fast.
     
  4. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    We'd have to see what he looks like not trying to knock someone out with one punch.
     
  5. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    Just that simple! Seems like Marquez' whole team were in agreeance that Marquez was going to lay it on the line and go to every lenghth possible not to let the fight go to the scorecards.

    The judges played Marquez enough and he was'nt going to let them keep playing him.
    Thats what it really came down to. Corruption forced Marquez to deviate from a gameplan that was proven to work. To box Paqquiao with movement and throwing multishot combinations without having to overcommit to his punches.

    To be forced to commit more to his shots opened up the avenues for Pacquiao to be more competitive in this fourth fight.

    Thankfully for those who love the science of the sport, skill and will overcame corruption!:bbb:bbb:bbb:bbb
     
  6. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    Look at fight 3 from just a year ago.
    While Marquez landed clean, crisp, hard punches in that fight, he was'nt overcommiting to his punches.

    To commit yourself to a punch to the extent you want it to do real damage with one shot, your feet have to be really planted and digging the canvas.
    The fact that Marquez feet were in this fourth fight, allowed him the opportunity to seek to throw to the body more.
    Consistently, Marquez landed a better ratio of body shots in this last fight than any of the other three, and it was due to Marquez having his feet better planted to the ground to fire off POWER!!!!
     
  7. purephase

    purephase Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I am inclined to agree with this. Lots of people have also praised Pacquiao for having better tactics than in previous bouts, but I feel the ease with which he was winning rounds was in part (or largely) a product of Marquez adopting a far riskier strategy by not being satisfied boxing and keeping Manny off-balace.

    I guess one way to think about this is to consider who would win between the Marquez of the third fight and the Pacquiao of the fourth :think
     
  8. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

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    My point is that was a year ago. I want to see him quick and springy at 39. I take nothing for granted at this stage.
     
  9. Slickstar

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    Off topic but you probably watched the fight in depth already. Do you feel HBO was manipulating compubox numbers again in manny's favor like they did the third fight?
     
  10. Bogotazo

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    Didn't pay attention, actually. I never cite compubox for a single thing. It's garbage too often for me to ever rely on it. I always laugh when *****s and *******s alike start rattling off connect percentages as if they mean something. Manny seems like a fighter who's easy to award undeserved landed blows on that kind of system.
     
  11. MarioBrothers

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    you have to admit sometimes, the corruption that you say is more like a blessing in disguise. Had he won fights 2 and 3 which he rightfully deserve, his status wouldn't be as much elevated as his spectacular KO victory in fight 4 as fight 4 wouldn't happen.
     
  12. Genaro G

    Genaro G Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    A huge factor of why the knockout was produced is the fact that Pacquiao always finishes the rd strong, esp at the 10 second warning. Each and every rd, Pac does this. Marquez must have really worked on this during training because he would flurry BIG TIME in the last 10 seconds... Throwing HAYEMAKERS, with such committment and force that would only result in a ko, and not just just to finish the rd strong. This was a huge difference from the 3rd fight.
     
  13. Genaro G

    Genaro G Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Was thinking the same thing. I was impressed with this Pacquiao. He really came to fight and let it all go but he was sleeping at times, nearly got himself ko'd after knocking Marquez down in the 5th
     
  14. MAG1965

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    Marquez to his credit knew Pacman well and waited for the right hand counter. The 3rd round knockdown meant a lot because it told Marquez he had that punch waiting for him. I don't think he expected to knock him cold with it. You could tell how shocked he was when Manny went down and out.Juan just stood there like everyone else in the audience in shock.
     
  15. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

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    The corruption forced Marquez to deviate from his combination boxing prowess and forced him to become a hitman looking to take a fighter out clean and out.
    It produced an epic KO memory for the ages.

    The corruption that was previous is not a blessing however. 99 times out of 100, a Marquez does'nt come along to spit in the eye of the higher ups that control boxing, because for those that dont know, thats exactly what Juan Manuel Marquez did the very split second that punch landed to knockout Manny Pacquiao, he spit in the eye of all the corrupts that have ever been in boxing!

    As Marquez said afterward, "divine justice!"