The Nuances Of Setting A Trap

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  1. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Drawing inspiration from the recent hand placement thread on Classic... A simple question on paper that resulted in some great, very subtle observations that I and some other posters really enjoyed.

    Similar to the small, subtle nuances of hand placement, I'd like some discussion on setting traps in boxing... The kind of traps the likes of Archie Moore mastered.

    What other fighters were great at this?

    Any videos that show a perfectly set trap? Any recollections of fights that contain perfectly laid traps?
     
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  2. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81non05aKX4&feature=PlayList&p=BE71D8187FA3A886&playnext_from=PL&playnext=1&index=25[/ame]
     
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    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    Sung-Kil Moon would be a good one to watch.
     
  5. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    It's an amazing video.
     
  6. Duodenum

    Duodenum Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Watch how Mike Weaver guards himself after getting hurt by Dokes, Coetzee and Bonecrusher, then look at how differently he positions his left hand after Carl "The Lie" Williams thinks he has Hercules in serious trouble against the ropes. Mike's left hand is not up by his face in peek-a-boo fashion, but cocked, locked and loaded, ready to be triggered. To me, viewing the live broadcast, it certainly wasn't subtle, but one of the most obvious traps I've ever seen, and I knew Carl was about to get his ass handed to him by the same hook which ruined Tate. I'd already watched Dokes I and Coetzee, so the difference now was apparent. (What blew my mind was that the victim of Joey Curtis's paranoid title robbing was the one actually doing this. Looking at it on tape now, it happens very quickly, but at the time, I saw it unfolding with gleeful slow motion anticipation.)
     
  7. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    :rofl:rofl

    at the recent European Amatuer Championships Britians Gamal Yafai set traps beautifully.
     
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    What about Hopkins?
     
  9. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Roach was talking recently about how difficult it is to teach this. He claimed it had taken six years for him to teach Pacquiao to bait an opponent to the ropes and trap him.

    Gavilan was expert at this, countering-counters. Ali did this too, but I think he was taking advantage personally, I don't think he was setting traps...just an opinion though. Anyway, the kid!

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9c6CQkjj0AM[/ame]


    At around 45 seconds of the vid, Gavilan nearly gets countered with the right hand off the jab. After this, he throws some lazy jabs, with a view to countering the expected counter. Check out 1:10. Gavilan throws out a couple of weird, lazy looking jabs; at first, Cartier doesn't bite. Then he does. He shoots out a really hard right hand, which Kid is expecting, so he ditches it and then lands the "trap-punch", the uppercut. Beautiful, beautiful punch. Just great. This is the trap.

    1 - Sees the counter right hand intention early in the fight.

    2 - Tosses out lazy jabs to try to bring on the right-hand.

    3 - Counters the expected punch with a prepared punch.

    It's lovely. But there's actually something else worth pointing out here. At 1:48, KG sets the same trap again but misses. I think at this point the penny drops for Cartier that he is being trapped. At 2:15 on the video, KG sets the trap again, but the counter doesn't come and he checks his punch. Now he knows that Cartier knows, I think. And there the game ends! KG is looking for a new caper and Cartier has to be more careful about countering with the right hand - this actually makes him less careful overall as he leads with the right more without using it as a counter-punch and employs rushes.
     
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  10. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Great post McGrain, thats the type of detailed post I' was looking for. Thanks.
     
  11. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Marciano Walcott first fight needs mention.

    Rocky feints with the left, which make Walcott counter it, than powers home with the right hand.
     
  12. teeto

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    Tommy Loughran's game was based around it, though he didn't 'capitalise' so to speak, rather he jabbed, jabbed and jabbed
     
  13. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    No bother and nice thread.

    One thing. This is just a little trap, right? But I think it takes an already open fight and turns it into a bit of a barn-burner. Cartier looks to counter-punch less and lead more, and also looks to rush more to reduce that "feint-affect", the "knots" Robinson seems to have been tied up in against KG...so these things can be more important than they at first appear.

    Sometimes I think, when fights suddenly take off, it's not for reasons unknown, but rather because of some subtle thing that we miss. And fighters feel and see things in there that we just don't pick up on...
     
  14. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gB09VEEZvM[/ame]

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmojnJNIyA8[/ame]
    Best one of all time


    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piw_ZD86f9E[/ame]
    2:30-2:35



    I would say these three are examples of master traps. They are sneaky powerful counterpunches designed to knockout the opponent. They set it up by relaxing the muscles, almost sandbagging like, and giving the other fighter the notion "its ok to attack"...then with skill and precision they pounce on the victim falling to the trap.
     
  15. McGrain

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    I like this one even better than your "best of all time" pick. It's almost hypnotic, and to be fair, Louis was ripe for this kind of trap, but it shouldn't take away from the genius involved. Bringing him on and on and on and looking at the jab and then making the absolutley perfect read and dropping the absolutley perfect punch for the occasion. Really, really great.

    EDIT: This was the top video in SQ's post I was taking about.