Here we go my friends, a lot of us are dead sick and tired of Joy Boy and the Joy Boy's, so let's form an express that is dedicated to bringing Joy Boy realisation and a group effort against the Joy Boy's and newly crowned Joy Boy apologists. Simple poll, who's in? P4P #1 my ass, P4P #1 in my criteria is now This content is protected . Also, let's talk about how disgustingly overrated Joy Boy is above 130, at 130, he ought to have been P4P top 3, arguably 1 on a H2H basis around that time, incredible fighter, the best ever at that weight class without a doubt. However, 135 was uninspiring, 140 was a joke and 147-154 has been downright disgraceful. :happy
No I'm not. His 2004-2007 years and performances should have only gained him a P4P top 3 spot. Sadly, nobody really deserves the #1 crown right now, as Pacman didn't decisively beat Marquez. NOT only that, but he's looking really beatable lately, declined, so his talent and skill is not enough alone at this point to declare him over better performaing underrated fighters in a H2H sense. P4P #2 is a tie between Pac and Mayweather for me.
147 has not been THAT bad. Judah as a first fight, the linear Baldo, and a Hatton that didn't need to be there in the first place but was undefeated and a top 10 p4p guy. He needs to fight Cotto by the end of the year though. 140 was a complete joke though. 154 was a payday with Oscar, nothing more and 154 isn't exactly producing great fighters. Cotto then Mosley if shane gets back on a winning streak, as p4p he is obligated to do that.
If he beats Cotto, he's earned his spot back, simple enough. I don't think he can do that though and I'm not sure I'd rank Cotto as P4P #1 if he beat Mayweather to be honest. Top 3 cemented, defo.
You really think he loses to Cotto? I see Cotto giving him hell but losing by about 3 points. *Edit* Cotto's timing will give Mayweather fits
Cotto's a large step up from Castillo as a technical pressure fighter and can definitely take Floyd's counters at 147, he took most of Mosely's and Mosely was sitting down on them pretty good, we saw what his shots did to a shot Vargas(whom mayorga couldn't stop). That jab alone is going to make Mayweather uneasy, then that bodywork and underrated handspeed and of course the timing. I could see Floyd getting stopped, seriously. Cotto eats pure boxers for breakfast.
Here's my analysis of Mayweather-Cotto (sorry about the length) --------------------------------------------------------------------- Technical pressure is the way to beat Floyd. Nobody in the welterweight division brings technical/educated pressure the way Cotto does. He's better than Jose Luis Castillo in this regard and a far more versatile fighter - he's got more facets to his game than does Castillo. Hatton brought a swarming style with roughhousing tactics, so it's stupid to compare the two as some do. Floyd has always fared better against swarmers who leave themselves open coming in as seen not only in his fight with Hatton, but also Jesus Chavez. His jab alone could offset Floyd, who has shown liabilities against right jabs at welterweight and at 150. Even in the Hatton fight, Ricky was timed him with a couple jabs early on. Floyd would lead with a left hook and Hatton would duck it or take a step back and time him with his own jab. But Ricky doesn't consistantly throw the jab. When he did lead with it, those were the instances where he was able to get inside without taking crisp countershots in the process. The problem with Hatton is his failure to work inside. I was screaming at the television, telling him to let his hands go with short combinations to the body and the head. But he holds, grapples, and throws an occasional punch. A thing I noticed in the De La Hoya fight, is that when Floyd is pressured by somebody who leads with a good left jab, he backs straight into the ropes. When he's on the ropes, he picks his spots and can be very sneaky. But his punch output also decreases which means he can be roughed up and outworked. On the ropes, I think Cotto would put him into a shell, more or less. I believe that Cotto's activity and power would catch the attention of the judges in these occurances. Cotto has underrated speed of foot. He's not as fast as Hatton on his feet, but he is far more steady, intelligent, and consistant in his approach. No doubt he'd find a way to close the gap and make Floyd fight because Floyd doesn't give the same movement he used to at 130 or 135. As I mentioned before, on the inside, he is very fluid and throws short, accurate combinations upstairs and downstairs. Hatton, on the other hand, holds and grapples, which is effective at 140, but not against fighters at 147 whom he does not hold a strength advantage over. Cotto is more accurate and calculating than De La Hoya is on the inside. De La Hoya will let his hands go in flurries to catch the attention of the judges, but he's not as consistent as Cotto in close nor is Oscar as accurate. His stamina is clearly levels below the current Cotto. Oscar is actually more of an outside fighter who likes to catch pressure fighters coming in. He's never been as good when he has to bring the fight to somebody. People underrate Cotto's handspeed and timing too. He's mixes it up real well and is more unpredictable in his offensive attack than most give him credit for. He has the ability to change up the trajectory and angles of certain shots to catch faster fighters. He showed this against Quintana and Zab Judah. I don't think there's a ribcage that Cotto can't find. Cotto's defense is good enough for him not to get "check-hooked" or embarassed with right hand leads. His high guard prevents this as does the jab on the way in. Floyd would definitely hit him though with uppercuts and straight shots up the middle (probably stun him a few times), as Judah was able to do. But the lack of combinations at 147 from Floyd wouldn't be enough from keeping Cotto off of him or enough to make Cotto fight a tactical fight on the outside where he would be at a disadvantage. Floyd is stronger than he's given credit for, but he's definitely not as strong as Cotto. This means that, unlike Mosley, Floyd wouldn't get Cotto on the backfoot, looking to counter. Simply put, Cotto has all the tools to beat Floyd in my view. And I don't say this because I'm a big fan of Cotto. I call fights how I see them and I've never gone against Floyd in the past. Floyd would have to fight with him for most of the fight he would get outworked, outmuscled, and roughed up. Floyd would take rounds based on his counter punching and clean punching. I see a 116-112, 115-113 type decision on the scorecards. If this fight happens in mid/late 2009, I think this works to Cotto's advantage because he's getting better and getting valuable experience, wheras Floyd's reflexes and speed are steadily decreasing (it's not rapid at all, but it's apparent when you compare the current 147 pound version with the versions from the lower weights).
Back to the topic at hand though. I'm on board. Why? Because I'm disgusted at the notion of Mayweather/De La Hoya II and especially Mayweather/Hatton II. Mayweather says Cotto needs to build up his popularity and generate more PPV buys before he considers fighting him. That's bull****, plain and simple.
I hope this **** derails and crashes in the woods some ****ing where. Oh and calzaghe train is a extremely SHORT train. A ONE caboose. You know, like a short bus.
I'm looking forward to De La Hoya II. I really enjoyed the first one. Obviously Hatton II would be a bit of a joke, but I'd be ringside if it was in the UK and i'd be squatting right in front of the TV if it's in the States. I won't move. You can ask me, but I won't.
Good post:good I think the Maliganngi, Quintana, Judah, and SSM fights have proved he can box, punch, and deal with speed and angles. He has skill, heart, will, and ability to be Floyd's toughest test of his career. The Joy train riders and Floyd have more angles and excuses OUTSIDE THE RING, than Cotto hasnt seen INSIDE THE RING and its :-( Cotto now needs to be a "mega star" but that didnt matter several years ago when he wanted to fight Cotto at 140 did it? :verysad