THE OFFICIAL fight night in pictures Marquez vs PAC III

This discussion boils down to who landed or not. To a certain extent debaters on both sides are making assumptions. It is very hard to see how clean a punch lands or not lands on a tv-screen with two fast fighters in a close fight. It is not easier with Mannys very fast, extended punches.

This thread has taken some of the steam out of the cries about "Manny was schooled", "Manny hit air all night" and "Mannys aggression was ineffective". Therefor it is relevant. The swelling around Marques eyes tells us he took some punishment.

 

Seems so :conf.

Pacquiao fans have made a lot of arguments for his poor performance the other night, and 90% have been desperate nonsense. This guy.. I can see what he's trying to say, but a handful of pictures cannot tell you the story of a 12 round fight, end of. Someone could easily make a thread with a handful of pictures of JMM landing shots on Pacquaio. What does it prove? Absolutely nothin'.

 

No those are glancing blows. When the *****s realized how professional boxing is scored suddenly compubox is bull**** and Manny didn't land a punch.

 

It proves it was a close fight. The close rounds go to the aggressor always have it is how professional boxing is scored. Its your fault for being a dumb **** if you gave any close rounds to Marquez.

 

Windigo, why are you still posting on this site? I'm not going to listen to anything about boxing from a guy who thinks Pacquaio is a better counterpuncher than Floyd Mayweather.

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Then you can put me on ignore *******. You just dont want to admit the fact that JMM lost the close rounds because counter punching alone doesn't win rounds. I know it sucks for you because you know **** all about boxing and how professional boxing is scored. Your ideal fight is two counter punchers throwing 5 punches a round.

BTW when this JMM actually engaged in some offense Manny was clearly the more effective counter puncher. He shut down JMMs offense in just a few rounds. JMM knew that he would eat canvas if he kept eating counter right hooks. Proof again that counter punching is not about style points but effectiveness.

 

Way to completely ignore his point and counter it with frivolous insultsatsch

 

There's no point to ignore. You can't decide a 12 round fight by viewing a handful of pictures, end of. And I didn't think my 'insult' was frivolous at all actually. If you think Manny Pacquiao is a better counterpuncher than Floyd Mayweather, you haven't got a clue and shouldn't be listened to at all, ever again.

 

******* you have been saying in every thread that Manny's offense wasn't effective with absolutely no evidence but your own loud mouth. You know good damn good and well that Manny's aggression wins the close rounds per the rules of the sport so you refuse to admit reality. I've told my many times to put up or shut up. You cant and you wont.

 

Since you obviously didn't read it last time..


You're ignoring the fact that a handful of pictures doesn't tell the story of a 12 round fight, and certainly doesn't prove or disprove anything you've said above.

'Pac hardly landed' - No one said he didn't land, and a handful pictures just shows him landing a handful of shots. What's that supposed to prove?

'Marquez landed the harder shots' - It's practically impossible to tell how hard a shot was from a still picture. You're gonna say you can tell because of how the face reacts, which is complete bull**** because facial structures are different, and as I showed above, Pacquiao's face contored just much as Marquez' after a punch. But it means completely nothing anyway. The fact that you'd even use it as an argument says a lot about you.

'That it was some kind of robbery' - Again, handful of pictures from a 12 round fight proves nothing either away.

This thread is a complete fail.

 

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It proves more than you can or have even tried. You entire case is based on nothing but your own loud mouth. As soon as guys like myself started reminding you that boxing scoring has 4 parts you've been lying our ass off.

 

Now now Mary, calm down. :nono

The ease and regularity with which JMM landed the counter punches is the determining factor in this fight. And I'll tell you why his punches were cleaner and more decisive. The majority of his counterpunches were delivered with Pacquaio coming forward, walking onto them, or foolishly lunging in, as he does sometimes. You've got the force of the punch combined with Pacquaio's own momentum, resulting in strong, damaging punches landing. It was there for everyone to see. He regularly landed the uppercut and/or straight, snapping Pacquaio's head back. Fortunately for Pacquaio, he's got an ATG chin, rarely swells and only cuts occasionally. For JMM, swelling has been a problem historically. Practically every fight, he looks bad afterwards, regardless of how easily he might have won. It's just down to skin types, and to use it as a reason for him losing a fight is moronic beyond words. But back to the punching. In comparison to JMM's effective punching, Pacquiao's punching was largely out of range, missing or grazing as he was always reaching, trying to get to JMM. I'm NOT saying he didn't land anything clean all night, he obviously did, but all you have to do is watch the fight, he didn't land half as many clean shots as he usually does. JMM looked more effective in there.

I think there's this phenomena in the media and with certain fans where, in their minds, if Pacquaio throws a punch, or punches, that come anywhere even NEAR his opponent, then it MUST have landed cleanly, and it MUST have been devastating. Steve Bunce talked about it after the fight, calling it 'Manny disease'. It's almost as if the only way to beat him is to knock him out clean. I can understand it to an extent because he comes across as a humble man and people want to believe he's unbeatable and so on and so forth, but it's not reality. You can talk about Aggression all you like, but what it is? Manny following JMM around the ring does not constitute aggression. For large periods of the fight, Pacquaio was just as cautious, reluctant to throw more than jabs for fear of being countered. And on the few occassions they did get in close to each other, they both stood there and traded momentarily. Some would have you believe JMM pulled out of every engagement and 'ran' around the ring. Complete nonsense. A counter punching style does not make you a coward and it does not mean you can't be aggressive.

Along with that, two points:

1. Compubox doesn't mean anything. It's two guys, sitting at ringside, pushing buttons on a laptop. Just as susceptible to human failure as fans and judges are. And remember.. 'Manny disease' can affect those guys too.

2. Post fight damage is irrlevant to who won or lost a fight. You can use it to rubbish claims that Pacquaio didn't land anything, 'cause obviously he did, and anyone who says different is a fool. But you cannot use it to say he landed a huge volume of punches because of JMM's pre-disposition to easy swelling and damage.

I firmly believe JMM won this fight and absolutely nothing I've seen or heard has swayed me from that.

 

Listen Pole Smoker,

Your post is too long. To quote the whole damn thing.

There is no rule in boxing that places counter punches on some higher level. True they can hurt more. There is no evidence that they ever hurt Manny.

Once more you are completely ignoring that fights are scored round by round. In those close rounds the punching is too close for punching alone to determine the round. That is something that your simply dont get.

I'd say it is the exact opposite. I clearly have a much better eye then you do and I'm more experience as a southpaw than you and I still have to watch his fights a few times to see every punch that landed. He is that fast. You are creating a strawman.

The rules do not require constant aggression. You are once again creating a strawman.

Yes you can be aggressive. JMM was not for most of the fight. Once agian you are creating a strawman. It doesn't matter what can be what matters is what was. When he tried to be aggressive he got the crap beat out of him and quit trying quite quickly Thats what happened. As a result he lost. You cant win close rounds through counter punching alone. A counter puncher who addopts the style the Marquez used should know full well that they will give up rounds to win late, Floyd has done this many times. That was a bad strategy against Manny. Manny will not tire. Marquez gave up rounds early and late because the strategy is a loser against a fighter with Manny's gas tank.

When have I used compubox? I just said that it confirmed what I saw in the ring. You are the douchebag who keeps bringing up compubox.

What is relevant then? What we saw in the ring is irrelevant according to you. The damage we saw is irrelevant according to you. Compubox is irrelevant according to you. The only thing that you seem to think is relevant is your own big ****ing mouth. You have provided no evidence to prove your case. None.