The Official "I TOLD YOU SO" Thread...Pacquiao vs. Mayweather.

kalunya5964 · Dec 6, 2009

darryl1914 said: ↑

I am well aware that "real boxing fans" know that Floyd WILL win pretty convincingly.

I really created this thread for those Pac Fans that Honestly believe that Pacquiao will just walk right through Floyd and WIN BY KO!!!

THAT'S JUST CRAZY:-(
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Yeah, that's just crazy! Pac, however, had been to many crazy fights and emerged victorious every time!

darryl1914 · Dec 7, 2009

slick willie said: ↑

Great post Darryl. However....

1. Roach said they needed more time for Mayweather's style because there's nobody in boxing right now with Mayweather's style. Actually if you think about it, Floyd doesn't have an outright style. He just boxes and adjusts accordingly throughout the fight. But with *most* of his opponents, he never had to adjust because his plan A worked out great from the beginning. (A great example of adjustment would be against Judah even though I thought Judah's lack of aggression contributed it.) I consider Roach honest here, and he knows that Floyd's style would be difficult for anyone.

2. When you fight against someone who is fast like Pac, has the ability to throw bolo punches at weird angles, and able to throw punches while moving, I think any fighter will look like he's in quicksand in comparison to Pac's speed because they'll be busy covering their face. Now, will Mayweather look like he's in quicksand? Probably not, but I'm certain that he will be covering up often. If you watch Floyd's opponents, they all made the same mistake, they tried to box with Floyd and allowed Floyd to control the pace of the fight. Those who stuck with their styles usually did well in the beginning rounds but ultimately didn't have the stamina, intellect, and defense to be effective. A question for you. What fighter can imitate Pac as a sparring partner? hmmm I haven't thought of one yet. I know there are many partners that have the speed but not Pac's ability to throw combinations and move like him.

3. As Floyd got older and moved up in weight, he lost a little speed, not alot, but noticeable if you compare him back when he fought in the 130s. Floyd's bread and butter now is to set traps according to how he evaluates his opponents in the first two or three rounds. A good example of this is his fight against Hatton. Floyd was setting that check lefthook trap in the corners all night long. In order to this, you have to essentially wait until the later rounds for your traps to work because you may have to adjust in the mid rounds. I am very confident that Roach, being a very intelligent trainer that he is, knows about Floyd's ability to set traps. And trust me, Floyd has a ton of bad habits too, which his opponents were often blind, stupid, or not quick enough to capitalize on.

4. Your Cotto argument. Did it not come to your mind that Cotto simply has an excellent jab? He's a lefty turned orthodox, and usually lefty turned orthodox fighters have excellent jabs in addition to excellent left hooks. Cotto's dominant hand is his left. That's why I wasn't surprised to see Pac tagged with quick, snapping jabs from Cotto. Floyd's jab to the body is part of his ring intellect. In most of his fights, he'll jab to the body maybe once. Have his opponent anticipate another jab to the body, then he'll feint and come in with a leaping left hook. Most of Floyd's straight rights are from lead rights without it following a jab.

Final thoughts. Don't count Pac out so quickly. Many "real" boxing fans, as you call it, still know it's too early to count Pac out. As of right now, I have Floyd edging over Pac mainly because of his reach advantage, assuming Floyd uses his jab to keep distance. On the other hand, I wonder how Floyd will do against the ropes with Pac's ability to throw 7 punch combinations at weird angles. Pac, unlike many of Floyd's opponents, has been trained to know when to cut the ring off and how.
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Damn good reply!!

I could reply back with some long well thought out analysis...but instead...I'll say:

WE'LL SEE MARCH 13TH!!!

Sting · Dec 7, 2009

slick willie said: ↑

Great post Darryl. However....

1. Roach said they needed more time for Mayweather's style because there's nobody in boxing right now with Mayweather's style. Actually if you think about it, Floyd doesn't have an outright style. He just boxes and adjusts accordingly throughout the fight. But with *most* of his opponents, he never had to adjust because his plan A worked out great from the beginning. (A great example of adjustment would be against Judah even though I thought Judah's lack of aggression contributed it.) I consider Roach honest here, and he knows that Floyd's style would be difficult for anyone.

2. When you fight against someone who is fast like Pac, has the ability to throw bolo punches at weird angles, and able to throw punches while moving, I think any fighter will look like he's in quicksand in comparison to Pac's speed because they'll be busy covering their face. Now, will Mayweather look like he's in quicksand? Probably not, but I'm certain that he will be covering up often. If you watch Floyd's opponents, they all made the same mistake, they tried to box with Floyd and allowed Floyd to control the pace of the fight. Those who stuck with their styles usually did well in the beginning rounds but ultimately didn't have the stamina, intellect, and defense to be effective. A question for you. What fighter can imitate Pac as a sparring partner? hmmm I haven't thought of one yet. I know there are many partners that have the speed but not Pac's ability to throw combinations and move like him.

3. As Floyd got older and moved up in weight, he lost a little speed, not alot, but noticeable if you compare him back when he fought in the 130s. Floyd's bread and butter now is to set traps according to how he evaluates his opponents in the first two or three rounds. A good example of this is his fight against Hatton. Floyd was setting that check lefthook trap in the corners all night long. In order to this, you have to essentially wait until the later rounds for your traps to work because you may have to adjust in the mid rounds. I am very confident that Roach, being a very intelligent trainer that he is, knows about Floyd's ability to set traps. And trust me, Floyd has a ton of bad habits too, which his opponents were often blind, stupid, or not quick enough to capitalize on.

4. Your Cotto argument. Did it not come to your mind that Cotto simply has an excellent jab? He's a lefty turned orthodox, and usually lefty turned orthodox fighters have excellent jabs in addition to excellent left hooks. Cotto's dominant hand is his left. That's why I wasn't surprised to see Pac tagged with quick, snapping jabs from Cotto. Floyd's jab to the body is part of his ring intellect. In most of his fights, he'll jab to the body maybe once. Have his opponent anticipate another jab to the body, then he'll feint and come in with a leaping left hook. Most of Floyd's straight rights are from lead rights without it following a jab.

Final thoughts. Don't count Pac out so quickly. Many "real" boxing fans, as you call it, still know it's too early to count Pac out. As of right now, I have Floyd edging over Pac mainly because of his reach advantage, assuming Floyd uses his jab to keep distance. On the other hand, I wonder how Floyd will do against the ropes with Pac's ability to throw 7 punch combinations at weird angles. Pac, unlike many of Floyd's opponents, has been trained to know when to cut the ring off and how.
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:happy

Ownage!!!

slick willie · Dec 7, 2009

haha. no ownage here Sting. Darryl had a great argument there also.

charlievint · Dec 7, 2009

darryl1914 said: ↑

I am well aware that "real boxing fans" know that Floyd WILL win pretty convincingly.

I really created this thread for those Pac Fans that Honestly believe that Pacquiao will just walk right through Floyd and WIN BY KO!!!

THAT'S JUST CRAZY:-(
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I'm a real boxing fan and I can gurantee Floyd isn't going to have an easy time! I don't think PAC will walk straight through Floyd, but he'll have his spots and win a good number of rounds while inflicting more damage. Rd by Rd Floyd will do enough to win a decision.

pugilistspecialist · Dec 7, 2009

darryl1914 said: ↑

Date has been set: March 13th.
Weight has been set: 147lbs.
Purse has been set: 50/50
Gloves size has been set: 8oz
DAMN I AM EXCITED: :hammertime

I have never posted nor mentioned a prediction...because its pretty obvious to me (and "real" boxing fans) who will win this fight.

So lets start with some questions and statements that will tell you everything you need to know about WHO WILL WIN THIS FIGHT!!!

In the days following Pacquiao's victory over Miguel Cotto...A large number of fans, crtics, gurus, columnist, journalist were asking Freddie Roach about a possible fight between Pacqiao and Mayweather.

And his response should have told you everything: "WE NEED MORE TIME TO PREPARE FOR MAYWEATHER'S STYLE!!!"

Not once did Roach nor any other Pacquiao trainer ever say they needed more time to prepare for Morales, Barerra, Solis, Diaz, JMM, Oscar, Hatton or Cotto, WHY IS THAT????

Because they all fought in THE SAME STYLE...A STYLE THAT IS CUSTOM FIT FOR A PACQUIAO VICTORY: Latin American and/or Euro Brawlers who all moves like they're stuck in quicksand, wouldn't know Defense if it knocked on their front door and all have a TON OF BAD HABBITS!!!

Pacquiao HAS NEVER FOUGHT A SLICK-ASS, DEFENSIVE TECHNICIAN LIKE MAYWEATHER!!! Pacquiao will lose this fight in tranning...simply because there is no-one on the planet they can find to mimic Floyd's style for sparring...and once there in the ring...Both Roach and Manny will say...:huh

Everyone wants to go on & on about how Judah, Corley, Hatton, Oscar Corrales and Castillo all gave Mayweather problems in the "EARLY ROUNDS".

Well why is that???

A. They were all Different Styles of Fighter...A slick lefty counter-puncher (Corley), a tall Rangy Power Puncher (Corrales), A fast lefty aggressive early round boxer (Judah), a Euro brawler (Hatton), a typical Mexican Pressure fighter (Castillo) and a Classic Mexican American Puncher/Boxer (Oscar)...And Once Mayweather adjusted...40-0!!!

B. Mayweather is a Patient Fighter...He doesn't have many 2nd, 3rd, 4th or 5th round KO's. He's defensive, smart, calculatiing and most importantly...HE GETS BETTER IN THE LATER ROUNDS!!!

Does any remember how much and how often Pacquiao got hit against Marquez? Ok...Maybe you'll say that Manny is a different fighter now...Ok, Does anyone remember Cotto landing jabs AT WILL before the USUAL COTTO STAMINA PROBLEMS OCCURED (with the help of Manny's fist).

So lets look at Cotto's Jab and Floyd jab. Cotto's jab is always "up-top", Floyd's jab is to the head and body...and the jabs to the body are merely the set up for the CAT-QUICK STARIGHT RIGHT HAND...AND AGAINST A LEFTY...:-(!!!

And, I think everyone will be surprised at the Size difference...And with Floyd's Reach and Speed...HE CAN SCORE AND WIN ROUNDS WITHOUT EVEN GETTING CLOSE TO MANNY.

Manny will have his moments...But in the end...I'll be BUMPING THIS THREAD!!!
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Couldnt have said it better myself:rasta

Pimp C · Dec 7, 2009

Palo said: ↑

Pac by KO in the 6th. It will be easier for Pac to prepare for Mayweather than it will be for Mayweather to prepare for Pac.

You can find guys with somewhat similar skill sets to Mayweather to spar with but there's no one remotely close to Pac that Mayweather can spar with to get ready. Mayweather will be hurt and on the run early after getting exposed and hammered from weird angles he's never had to defend against. His low work rate and mediocre power will not be able to keep the beast off.

Pac proved he can take a big welter's punch. Mayweather is a small welter and won't bother Pac with his pot shots. Pac will be the bigger guy in this fight even if the raw physical statistics don't agree.

Pac is a stylistic nightmare for Mayweather. Faster, relentless, great chin, and unorthodox. There will be no talk of a rematch after Mayweather gets his 1. The fans will be chanting Overrated! Overrated! and booing Mayweather for the last round before he gets KO'd.
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Your assessment is so wrong that I don't even know where to start. Log off and learn the sport you clearly don't know what the **** you're talking about.

surreal deal · Dec 7, 2009

LukeO said: ↑

STOP MAKING THREADS LIKE THIS!!
None of us want to hear anyone brag about a 50 50 chance.
"I flipped a coin and won!" Who ****ing cares?
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Thats weird, you've neatly stated exactly what i was thinking just before i saw your post.:good

surreal deal · Dec 7, 2009

Pimp C said: ↑

Your assessment is so wrong that I don't even know where to start. Log off and learn the sport you clearly don't know what the **** you're talking about.
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Isnt that the beauty of this impending superfight though Pimp?
You think he's miles out and talking ****, whereas others will agree wholeheartedly with him,.....so we just wait until its settled to see who's correct.
Thats why this is such an exciting countdown to March.

NALLEGE · Dec 7, 2009

darryl1914 said: ↑

Date has been set: March 13th.
Weight has been set: 147lbs.
Purse has been set: 50/50
Gloves size has been set: 8oz
DAMN I AM EXCITED: :hammertime

I have never posted nor mentioned a prediction...because its pretty obvious to me (and "real" boxing fans) who will win this fight.

So lets start with some questions and statements that will tell you everything you need to know about WHO WILL WIN THIS FIGHT!!!

In the days following Pacquiao's victory over Miguel Cotto...A large number of fans, crtics, gurus, columnist, journalist were asking Freddie Roach about a possible fight between Pacqiao and Mayweather.

And his response should have told you everything: "WE NEED MORE TIME TO PREPARE FOR MAYWEATHER'S STYLE!!!"

Not once did Roach nor any other Pacquiao trainer ever say they needed more time to prepare for Morales, Barerra, Solis, Diaz, JMM, Oscar, Hatton or Cotto, WHY IS THAT????

Because they all fought in THE SAME STYLE...A STYLE THAT IS CUSTOM FIT FOR A PACQUIAO VICTORY: Latin American and/or Euro Brawlers who all moves like they're stuck in quicksand, wouldn't know Defense if it knocked on their front door and all have a TON OF BAD HABBITS!!!

Pacquiao HAS NEVER FOUGHT A SLICK-ASS, DEFENSIVE TECHNICIAN LIKE MAYWEATHER!!! Pacquiao will lose this fight in tranning...simply because there is no-one on the planet they can find to mimic Floyd's style for sparring...and once there in the ring...Both Roach and Manny will say...:huh

Everyone wants to go on & on about how Judah, Corley, Hatton, Oscar Corrales and Castillo all gave Mayweather problems in the "EARLY ROUNDS".

Well why is that???

A. They were all Different Styles of Fighter...A slick lefty counter-puncher (Corley), a tall Rangy Power Puncher (Corrales), A fast lefty aggressive early round boxer (Judah), a Euro brawler (Hatton), a typical Mexican Pressure fighter (Castillo) and a Classic Mexican American Puncher/Boxer (Oscar)...And Once Mayweather adjusted...40-0!!!

B. Mayweather is a Patient Fighter...He doesn't have many 2nd, 3rd, 4th or 5th round KO's. He's defensive, smart, calculatiing and most importantly...HE GETS BETTER IN THE LATER ROUNDS!!!

Does any remember how much and how often Pacquiao got hit against Marquez? Ok...Maybe you'll say that Manny is a different fighter now...Ok, Does anyone remember Cotto landing jabs AT WILL before the USUAL COTTO STAMINA PROBLEMS OCCURED (with the help of Manny's fist).

So lets look at Cotto's Jab and Floyd jab. Cotto's jab is always "up-top", Floyd's jab is to the head and body...and the jabs to the body are merely the set up for the CAT-QUICK STARIGHT RIGHT HAND...AND AGAINST A LEFTY...:-(!!!

And, I think everyone will be surprised at the Size difference...And with Floyd's Reach and Speed...HE CAN SCORE AND WIN ROUNDS WITHOUT EVEN GETTING CLOSE TO MANNY.

Manny will have his moments...But in the end...I'll be BUMPING THIS THREAD!!!
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:good:good:good

Bee KeepZ · Dec 7, 2009

It's a welter fighting a lightweight the f**k d'ya expect.

Pimp C · Dec 7, 2009

surreal deal said: ↑

Isnt that the beauty of this impending superfight though Pimp?
You think he's miles out and talking ****, whereas others will agree wholeheartedly with him,.....so we just wait until its settled to see who's correct.
Thats why this is such an exciting countdown to March.
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I agree.:good It makes ESB a great place to be after the fight atleast for the winning fans.:yep

surreal deal · Dec 7, 2009

Pimp C said: ↑

I agree.:good It makes ESB a great place to be after the fight atleast for the winning fans.:yep
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Actually, reading his post properly, I can see why you dismissed it as ludicrous TBH.

Little Pea · Dec 7, 2009

lobk said: ↑

makes me wonder if they are boxing fan or boxer fan. ****ers on here just can't watch a good fight without showing the world how much they love their man. Win or lose i don't care as long as both guys put on a good show.
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amen

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