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box33 · Nov 16, 2022

JOKER said: ↑

When has Pacquiao ever been risk adverse?

Fought his stylistic nightmare 3 more times (Marquez).

Fought black fighters (whom people said he was terrified of) in Bradley (3X), Clottey, Mosley, Broner, Thurman, and tried to get Crawford and Spence at age 42.
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Exactly.

drenlou · Nov 16, 2022

box33 said: ↑

Exactly.
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Exactly.

drenlou · Nov 16, 2022

There Will Be Blood said: ↑

There are very few people in the history of the sport who can trade w/ a prime Pacquiao and beat him (Hearns and Duran have the highest chances of going to war and beating him). Pacquiao destroys dudes w/ his speed, combinations, and angles. Despite being a micro welterweight, dudes rarely go to war w/ Manny. When they do go to war w/ him, they pay.

Margarito, despite having a 17 pound weight advantage, took a savage beating and was left w/ a broken eye that effectively ended his career.

Mosley promised to go to war, but went into survival mode and then ran all night. Mosley went on to stand and trade w/ Canelo.

Rios promised to go to war, and he TRIED, but a freshly KO'd Pacquiao, whilst a different fighter, still put a massive beating on Rios. Toyed with Rios and made Rios cry.

Algieri boxed Pacquiao, but went to go to war w/ Khan and stood and traded w/ Spence.

Roidquez had success w/ counterpunching (obviously), but when he committed to go to war (in IV), he had his face broken and was almost knocked out.

Young hungry prime Jessie Vargas promised to go to war to avenge Mexico and end Pacquiao's career, but boxed from the opening bell. Was knocked down and schooled 10-2/11-1.

Mayweather, already enjoying a significant size advantage, hired Ariza for inside tips and Memo for doping, juiced, and still fought the most cautious fight of his life. The handful of times he initiated the action, he was countered BADLY and HURT.

Manny Pacquiao is BFE!!! BEST. FIGHTER. EVER.
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Word?

scandcb · Nov 16, 2022

JOKER said: ↑

When has Pacquiao ever been risk adverse?

Fought his stylistic nightmare 3 more times (Marquez).

Fought black fighters (whom people said he was terrified of) in Bradley (3X), Clottey, Mosley, Broner, Thurman, and tried to get Crawford and Spence at age 42.
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Perhaps some in his camp were risk adverse at that stage in his career.

He was a massive draw back then.

drenlou · Nov 16, 2022

Paranoid Android said: ↑

Saline Jr. is such a silly, silly little man. Dude took illegal IV fluids and then accused Collin McNulty of using illegal IV fluids... And he accused Collin of using 7 bags, which is 8 less than he himself took against Pacquiao.

"What I was told, I do my homework, I’ve been hearing a lot about him getting IV bags. I don’t know if it’s true ... rumors. He got seven IV bags. You know with the Nevada commission, that’s illegal."

- Floyd Mayweather Jr.
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Word?

cuchulain · Nov 16, 2022

https://www.boxingforum24.com/threa...acquiao-express.527622/page-1198#post-8262784

African Cobra · Nov 16, 2022

divac said: ↑

According to Trevor Ariza, "Pacquiao afraid of needles" was something Bob Arum made up to avoid Mayweather.
What Pacquiao did come up with is that "drawing blood makes me weak" excuse. Pacquiao's excuse for losing to Morales was that they required him to draw blood for a physical close to the days of fight time with Morales.
It was just one excused after the other from the Pacquiao camp, some coming from Pacquiao himself and others from most Bob Arum.
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The real question is why?

Braindamage · Nov 16, 2022

KillSomething said: ↑

Besides go undefeated, because Joe Calzaghe has also done that.

UD Pacquiao?
Outdone by JMM who served him the KTFO6, and matched by Morales who did it when Pacquiao wasn't injured AND managed to make it entertaining.

SD ODLH?
Outdone by Hopkins who KO'd him, matched by Mosley (x2) and Trinidad. ODLH was regarded as shot by the time Floyd fought him, and his record supports that position.

UD Cotto?
Outdone by Pacquiao and Margarito who KO'd him, matched by Trout. Cotto had wins over Malignaggi, Judah, and Mosley 5 years before fighting Floyd. Was universally regarded as shot, having been slaughtered by Margarito and Pacquiao. Still gave Floyd one of his best fights.

UD Mosley?
Matched by Pacquiao, Alvarez, Cotto, Forrest, and Wright (x2). Had quality wins over ODLH (x2), Vargas (x2), and Margarito. However, was regarded as shot in 2010 and his resume after that supports this position.

UD Marquez?
Matched by Norwood and John, both of whom made weight and neither of whom needed a 2-weight class size advantage.

UD Judah?
Outdone by Tszyu, Cotto, Clottey, and Khan. Matched by Spinks, Baldomir, Malignaggi, Garcia. And Judah dropped Floyd.

UD JLC?
Outdone by Hatton and Corrales who KO'd him. And the 4 journeymen who also KO'd him. And he may or may not have beaten Floyd the first time. This is a guy who had only beaten Johnston when Floyd fought him (Corrales and Casamayor later).

UD Baldomir?
Who hasn't beaten Baldomir?? Who has Baldomir beaten? (Judah. That's it. And who has Judah beaten? Spinks. That's it.)

RTD Hernandez?
Matched by ODLH who retired him 2 rounds quicker.

KO Corrales?
Matched by Casamayor and JLC who knocked him out even quicker. Corrales had zero quality wins when Floyd fought him. Later beat Casamayor and JLC.

KO Ortiz?
Matched by Maidana, Lopez, and Collazo. Zero quality wins from this joker.

KO Hatton?
Matched by Pacquiao and Senchenko. Hatton only lost to Pacquiao at 140 and was 1-2 (2 KO losses) at 147 where Floyd fought him.

UD Guerrero?
Unmatched achievement, but see what happens if Guerrero starts fighting Porter, Thurman, Khan, etc. His best win is a shot Casamayor. EDIT: Oh look, Thurman almost killed him.

MD Alvarez?
Unmatched achievement, but see what happens as Alvarez begins to step up competition (best win is a close one against Trout and a robbery against Lara). Plus the rehydration clause and all that...

Yeah but...

Has Floyd ever ducked any challenges?

Tszyu: Avoided.
Margarito: Avoided.
Williams: Avoided.
Wright: Blatant duck.
Mosley: Waited until he was shot.
Cotto: Waited until he was shot.
Pacquiao: Waited until he was shot.
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Do you think Calzaghe's resume is better than Floyd's? Personally, I don't think it even comes close.

rodney · Nov 17, 2022

box33 said: ↑

When & where did he ever say that? provide your link i'll wait, coming over here spewing your BS rhetoric.
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It’s common knowledge.

tealt · Nov 17, 2022

Olu G. Rotimi said: ↑

The real question is why?
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I think its the same reason as the current Spense Crawford thing. 2 A sides who don't want to budge but really don't want the fight anyway. I am taking promoters also. Pac loses a lot of luster losing to Floyd. Got to keep the carrot in front for the fans. If pac lost to Floyd back in 2008 or so his popularity would not be as high. His career to me seem to be based off the idea of beating Mayweather.

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