The official Mayweather vs. Pacquiao aftermath trash receptacle

He hasn't knocked out anyone in over 5 years.

It's not a lack of a killer instinct, I've seen him go for broke against many opponents. He's just not knocking guys out anymore.

Does anyone think he wasn't trying to get rios or Bradley or algieri or even Marquez in their 4th fight out of there? He was trying his best to KO those guys, he just couldn't for one reason or another.

He has slowed down considerably, he's up their in age, and he looks trigger shy at times to jump in on guys, especially those with counter punching ability.

He hasn't recorded a knockout in over a half decade. All of a sudden he's going to knock out the best defensive fighter of this era who just so happens to have a good chin as well?

 

Me too. Anyway for those interested to join the ULTIMATE BAN BET, here's the link to the thread:

http://www.boxingforum24.com/showthread.php?t=529771

 

nice try shockmaster/ZablieJudahnoff

 

It's really silly the whole thing, but im going to honor mine as well. If pac loses, not posting here isn't gonna impact me whatsoever. Makes the bet a bit more fun though if both sides honor it.

 

I agree with the unlikeliness of the KO too, but the fire and intensity is there to give FMJ a really hard night I reckon. I've been watching a bunch of these guys fights and I don't know if I'm off here or not, but to me there are things I feel like apply still now:

1) So much of Mayweather's awesome defense seems to rely on his shoulder roll, which seems to be really effective for the most part but appears to be shaky against southpaws. I guess he could adapt it to suit a south paw, but to make that work won't it be a bit of a compromise overall?

2) Mayweather seems to hate getting into the close up battles Pacquiao is a weapon at, and seems to be unafraid to start - this is the thing which I think will make it exciting, what Mayweather calls reckless is something Pacquiao has a HUGE amount of practice with.... and while it is dangerous, its not a new trick for him and has done him very well in the past. I think if the ref doesn't allow excessive clinching from FMJ and Pac doesn't walk into anything too heavy then Mayweather may get dragged into something which he doesn't like, and Pac loves.

3) If this goes the distance, Mayweather is going to get pretty banged up from Pac's brutal approach/punch volume - I don't know that a KO is as necessary as people seem to think. Mayweather is different from everyone else Pac has fought, but the same goes the other way. Pac has a ****load of heart and I don't think he's going to stop trying to hurt Mayweather. I acknowledge how much of a test it's going to be for Pac, but I think a lot of people may underestimate how much of a test it will be for Mayweather going into the deep rounds with someone who has the heart to keep applying additional hurt in the later rounds. Not KO, but being thumped that long with that intent- even through a guard or not flush by someone who wants to take your head off and can if you don't watch it - is not fun.

4) If the ref allows Mayweather the amount of clinching I think he'll need to do to keep from getting involve it Pac-wars then I agree with the popular sentiment it's not going to be to much of a fight for him, but I also think that'll be a BS outcome.

I think the wise choice for anyone given the fight records is to say Mayweather is the likely winner, but a fight is between two people - it's clear they've had mixed results against similar opponents, it comes down to who shows up on the day and how things play out. Both seem to be considering it like their final test and both are going in to win. It should be a good war and Pacmans lack of KOs in recent history doesn't mean he can't win.

1 week to go, can't wait!

 

ehy yah too reckless, thats why he only got 8 div wolrd titles. 4 lineal title, fighter of the decade (that the duck was so whinning about)

if he is not too reckless he might get 10 :rofl :rofl :rofl

 

LOL@ this thread.........so FMJ is just gonna freeze and let Pac tee off him.......yeah and pigs fly.........Pac has been fed nothing but soft featherfisted B and C level hand picked opponents dragged up from 140 since his coma KO....

This is Pac's Arum Roach cash out fight...........he will be methodically taken apart.

Thru his entire career he has been blocking straight rights with his face, was carefully matched against mainly left hookers, did the chicken dance, got knocked down and eventually put to sleep for 20 min against a old shopworn Mexican Brawler via right hands and now like a miracle he will do a 180 in avoiding FMJ's rights......keep dreaming.

This fight will be a let down.

 

:huh

 

It doesn't matter that Pacman has the power and speed combination, he STOPPED he never KO'D a shot Delahoya and he never could ko an aging Marquez in any of the 4 times they fought. Manny is not knocking out Floyd ever.

What Pacquiao can do is break him down, concentrate on the body, and especially use Manila Ice, his right hook. Where Manny does have advantages is his quicker feet and activity, but where most of Floyd's opponents didn't use defense, Manny should, Maidana was very successful using his own defense making Floyd miss. It's important Manny use intelligent pressure or he's getting tko'd. Neither is big puncher, more likely a stoppage or tko happens, but not a ko. But this should go 12.

 

Abuffy have you read this article at tss, from mat mcgrain? He espoused similar views to your earlier takes on the fight. If you haven't read it it's a great read.
an excerpt... I recommend it to all here, good stuff.

http://www.thesweetscience.com/news/mayweather-vs-pacquiao/20712-maypac-the-impossible-waltz


Cast your mind back to the opening paragraph of this article for a moment if you will. Larry Merchant asked Mayweather:
“Floyd…why did you turn yourself from – a defensive wizard into an offensive force?”
And Mayweather replied:
“I wanted to give the fans what they wanted to see – they wanted to see a toe-to-toe battle. Fans don’t want to see me moving. They want to see me coming forward, so that’s what we did tonight.”
A more honest answer would have been, “I’ve got to give the fans what they want to see. The fans won’t see me moving again for twelve rounds because I can’t do it. Sometimes, I’m going to have to come forwards. That’s what we did tonight.”
What Mayweather, like Muhammad Ali before him, has recognised, is that there is another way. Ali knew years before he employed the rope-a-dope against George Foreman that he would have to look for another solution to the fifteen round championship distance, that he couldn’t, even in his prime, dance a 215lb machine around the ring for fifteen rounds. His solution was the ropes, a lot of absorption, an uncanny ability to read punches and a fabulous ability to pick and land counterpunches.
Floyd, like Ali, has endured a period of inactivity prior to which he was the best mover of his generation, and like Ali he has returned to the ring without that mobility. What Ali and Mayweather have both recognised is that control is everything; and if you can’t control the ring with your legs control it some other way. Against Foreman, Ali gave his opponent everything he wanted. Big George came to that ring to walk Ali down and force his (by the standards of the day) old legs into surrender. So Ali gave him exactly what he wanted from the second round and took advantage of the over-exuberance in the “destroy” portion of the “seek and destroy” equation that Foreman personified. Mayweather has done the same thing. He has chosen pressure fighters because he knows he can control them; because he knows at any given moment where they will be and that is front and centre, missing him, and getting hit with counterpunches.
But his legs have still gone. If he could adopt a moving strategy, we would have seen it by now. The maximum he can offer was on display in Mayweather’s last fight, the rematch with Maidana, won by Floyd at a canter as he took measures to ensure he would only intermittently have to fight off the ropes: narrow relaxed steps and a fast clinch when his back touched the top strand. Even this modest commitment to mobility seemed to have a price as Mayweather threw a measly 326 punches according to Compubox (netting him just under 100k a punch), far and away his lowest total ever recorded over twelve rounds. Any physical activity is a balancing act. Running is a balancing act between the legs and the lungs; boxing is a balancing act between movement and fighting, acted upon externally by the opponent. In fights where he punches instead of moves, Mayweather can still toss out over 600 punches as he did against Miguel Cotto. In selecting recommitment to movement to some small degree against Maidana he limited his output severely. Nor is it a matter of contact, a matter of movement keeping him away from the combat zone. Against De La Hoya, Mayweather spent the whole fight moving and threw almost five-hundred punches. This is an exquisite rendering of a fighter past his prime, perched perfectly on the cliff edge it is his destiny to fall from should he go on too long.
Now, finally, enter Manny Pacquiao stage left. Pacquiao himself is many years removed from the 1,000 punches he threw against Joshua Clottey but he is still a destroyer. He is still, on paper, the exact type that would be expected to slaughter a defensive genius forced to adapt to new realities. A hard puncher with an awkward style, he looks every inch Sandy Saddler to Mayweather’s Willie Pep. And yet Mayweather is an overwhelming favourite to win their contest come May 2nd.

 

Fl/omos and fans simply dont get this at all. Manny is a jrlw fighting at 147 against guys that regularly weight 160. Manny has no business fighting at ww but his speed and power make it possible for him to not only be able too but to flourish.

It cracks me up when people say floyd is a small ww:huh Hes so small he couldnt make the 144lb limt against Marquez.

 

Do you have the link?

It's a good read and logistically makes sense. He definitely echoes my thoughts that I have on Floyd's legs. Still, I give Floyd the benefit of the doubt and say they'll be good this fight. If they're not though, then Pacquiao wins.

If anything, this excerpt mad me sad. It shows me that the Floyd Mayweather who we saw school Marquez and Canelo is diminishing before our eyes. It makes me really sad.

 

At the end he goes with floyd as well.

http://www.thesweetscience.com/news/mayweather-vs-pacquiao/20712-maypac-the-impossible-waltz

 

Floyd is going to have to throw more punches in this fight simply to keep Manny off of him. He's not going to be able to just sit there comfortably and move comfortably when he wants to. Manny WILL force him out of any comfort zone and Floyd WILL have to exchange with him in order to set anything up. And when Floyd does open up, that will leave him more vulnerable to counter shots. Floyd isn't going to be able to just pot shot and wait for the perfect counter opportunity. If you believe that, you're fooling yourself.

 

Unless Floyd can hurt Manny with those right hands, I don't think it'll make a difference. The strange thing with Manny is he'll happily swallow right hands to land his straight left...and for most of his career, it has worked. Usually after he lands it, then the opponent becomes a little more gun shy. When Lampley inquired why Algieri stopped throwing, Roy Jones said, "Why put your punch out there if you're met with a semi truck?"

Because, after Chris was hurt with a huge left hand (I think 6th round KD), I didn't see him throw the right hand much(or really anything) afterwards. He got on his wheels and kept away.

I do expect Pac to be more cautious against Floyd though. However, IF Pacquiao tastes Mayweather's power and realizes Mayweather CAN'T hurt him, then Mayweather will be in for a long night. Respect is everything in this fight. Respect and control.