The OFFICIAL was Muhammad Ali a tad over rated Poll.

Most overrated boxer of all-time.

 

I voted Top 1-3 hw but probably should have voted GOAT HW, which he probably was (you can argue for Louis being ahead of him but thats it.)

 

Im sorry but all you guys arguing this are ****ing stupid.

Ali is the best heavyweight of all time, what he accomplished as a heavyweight hasn't been duplicated yet.

But what makes him the greatest is how he transcends the sport. What he was as a person has given him his immortality, he was simply the greatest. There will never be a boxer greater. SRR is p4p a better boxer, but he is not as great as Ali.
If you cant understand that then its your loss at the end of the day.

Think, Michael Jordan is the greatest basketball player of all time. Even if (for arguments sake) someone comes with more skill, they will never be as great as Jordan.

And even Jordan has nothing on Ali in terms of world greatness.

If you dont understand this, then its just unfortunate for you. There is no point in arguing about it.

 

He may be over-rated by people who say he was God, but they are only a few. Most people who judge him fairly do come to the conclusion that he was either #1 or #2 GOAT. He is over-rated if people say he is superman, but in the eyes of most knowledgeable people he isn't over-rated as top 1-2 HW, because that's what he was.

People always use the head to head argument, but you can't really use head to head to compare ATG'ness across generations.

 

GOAT HW and top 3 ATG.:deal
1.SRR
2.Armstrong
3.Ali

 

You sound delirious! What did he do as a person that was so great? No one can answer this, they just say "How dare you even question him!"

I think someone needs to create a universal definition of the term 'great' too, because in boxing context, I tend to use it when analysing a fighter's skill level, whereas you seem to be using it to describe his mysterious undefined God like deeds he allegedly committed outside the ring.

 

Boxing needs to agree on a universal definition of 'great' then.

 

greatness |ˈgrātnəs|
noun
the quality of being great, distinguished, or eminent : Elgar's greatness as a composer.


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great |grāt|
adjective
1 of an extent, amount, or intensity considerably above the normal or average : the article was of great interest | she showed great potential as an actor.
• very large and imposing : a great ocean between them.
• [ attrib. ] used to reinforce another adjective of size or extent : a great big grin.
• [ attrib. ] used to express surprise, admiration, or contempt, esp. in exclamations : you great oaf!
• (also greater) [ attrib. ] used in names of animals or plants that are larger than similar kinds, e.g., great auk, greater flamingo.
• ( Greater) [ attrib. ] (of a city) including adjacent urban areas : Greater Cleveland.
2 of ability, quality, or eminence considerably above the normal or average : the great Italian conductor | we obeyed our great men and leaders | great art has the power to change lives.
• ( the Great) a title denoting the most important person of the name : Alexander the Great.
• informal very good or satisfactory; excellent : this has been another great year | what a great guy | wouldn't it be great to have him back? | [as exclam. ] “Great!” said Tom.
• [ predic. ] informal (of a person) very skilled or capable in a particular area : a brilliant man, great at mathematics.
3 [ attrib. ] denoting the element of something that is the most important or the most worthy of consideration : the great thing is the challenge.
• used to indicate that someone or something particularly deserves a specified description : I was a great fan of Hank's.
4 [in combination ] (in names of family relationships) denoting one degree further removed upward or downward : great-aunt | great-granddaughter | great-great-grandfather.
noun
1 a great or distinguished person : the Beatles, Bob Dylan, all the greats.
• [as plural n. ] ( the great) great people collectively : the lives of the great, including Churchill and Newton.
2 ( Greats) Brit., informal another term for literae humaniores .
adverb informal
excellently; very well : we played awful, they played great.
PHRASES
great and small of all sizes, classes, or types : all creatures great and small.
a great deal see deal 1 .
a great many see many .
a great one for a habitual doer of; an enthusiast for : my father was a great one for buying gadgets.
Great Scott! expressing surprise or amazement. [ORIGIN: arbitrary euphemism for Great God! ]
to a great extent in a substantial way; largely : we are all to a great extent the product of our culture.
ORIGIN Old English grēat [big] ; related to Dutch groot and German gross.





Its you who dosnt understand the term great

 

That is a dictionary definition of the word, not a definition of what great means in boxing terms.

Surely you can't have missed the point that widely?

 

You have missed the point.

Great isnt a "boxing term"

Its a real world term.


You are confusing the word "best" with "great".

 

It can be used in the context of boxing though.

I am saying there is some confusion as to what 'great' means in the context of boxing.

Some say it is down to how many consecutive title defences a guy has, some say longest reign, some say most knockouts, and some say what they got up to outside of the ring.

Now do you understand?

 

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I understand what you are trying to say,

but your confused, just like all the people who misuse the word great.

The context in which you are trying to use great in is incorrect, and this is whats causing the disparities here.

Its not a "boxing term" you just dont understand what it means, and are trying to fit a word to an incorrect definition.

There is no boxer ever that has had the cultural impact Ali has had. And that is his greatness.

You can argue boxers have better resumes or skills, thats your prerogative. But in terms of actual "greatness" there is no one more so than Ali.

 

Ah right, now I understand, so the greatest boxer of all time is decided on cultural impact?

I never said 'great' was a boxing term, it is a universal term, but here it is being used in the context of boxing.

I'm not sure you're grasping what I am trying to say.

 

:-( Whatever mate, I cant be arsed with morons.

Tell me then, who is greater than Ali?