The other side of Canelo

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  1. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Mayweather was much closer to his peak in 2013 than Canelo was. Mayweather only started to slow down the next year vs Maidana. Vs Canelo, Mayweather got himself in the best shape of his life and he performed at a very high level. Mayweather was able to maintain himself close to prime into his mid-30s because of his defense-oriented style that resulted in him receieving very little punishment throughout his career. Mayweather used every trick in the book vs Canelo, he benefitted from a catchweight that drained Canelo, and even with all his advantages, Mayweather still struggled and barely beat a drained pre-prime Canelo by Majority decision 116-112, 117-111, 114-114.

    If the best version of Mayweather could only barely eek out a majority decision vs a dimished pre-prime Canelo by out-jabbing him, then what do you think would happen if he had to fight a non-diminished, fully prime Canelo? Canelo gave him all kinds of problems that night, and Floyd took more punishment vs Canelo than any other fight in his career. We know this because Floyd revealed how sore and injured he was after the fight in a Fight Hype interview. Floyd had to go through hell to get that MD, and he was never the same again. Canelo beat the Prime outta Floyd that night.
     
  2. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Obviously, 2 totally different weight classes. He kills prime Pacquiao too
     
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  3. African Cobra

    African Cobra The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council banned Full Member

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    36 year old Floyd was not the best version of Floyd far from it. If you think so then you obviously never saw peak Floyd that’s for sure. One idiot judge scored it 114-114 draw which says more about that judge than anybody else. Canelo and his team asked for the catch weight to make the fight and as Leonard Ellerbe said when you have an idiot for a manager it’s his job to take advantage of it. Another secret Floyd always came into fights in the best shape of his life it’s called being a professional. The only person who got a beating that night was Canelo. Sorry but your comments come across as stupid. Even Canelo to be fair to him does not make such excuses and says he learned a lot from his loss to Floyd.
     
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  4. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Many consider that performance Floyd's best. I personally consider his performance vs Hatton as his absolute best but Hatton was tailor made for him and Hatton was a much easier fight for Floyd than Canelo. When Floyd came back in 2009, he was no longer at his physical peak, but he made up for that by having a lot of experience under his belt, and by improving his defense. In 2007 vs DLH, a well past prime DLH had a decent amount of success in that fight. But the 36 year old Mayweather who fought Canelo would have had a much easier time beating 2007 DLH. Because by that time, he was more experienced, better at preparing himself, better at making adjustments, etc. A dehydrated Mayweather went on to easily dispatch a one-armed Pacquaio two years after beating Canelo, so while he was well beyond his physical peak by then, he retained and refined his overall skillset and had an improved mindset for preparation and winning at all costs which made him even tougher to beat than physical peak 2007-era Mayweather.

    Canelo and his team did not ask for a catchweight, Team Mayweather manipulated that situation and you like many fans fell for it. Canelo was asked about fighting Mayweather back in 2011 at a catchweight before Mayweather moved up to JMW to fight Cotto. He expressed interest in making that fight happen. That was all that was said, and through the language barrier Floyd pulled the wool over your and many fans eyes pretending like Canelo or his team asked for the catchweight. Floyd clearly demanded the catchweight after already winning the JMW Title at the 154-lb limit when he beat Cotto and after stressing the importance of fighting Cotto at his best weight at the full limit.
     
  5. FastSmith7

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    Are you joking? Mayweather beat Canelo 119-111 or even 120-108, he completely dominated him, even more than GGG did.
     
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  6. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Mayweather narrowly eeked out a decision against Canelo. The scores were 116-112, 117-111 and 114-114. Canelo was two rounds away on Moretti's card from retaining his title vs Mayweather. That was far closer than anyone was to drawing or beating Mayweather at the time since he came back in 2009.

    And you claim that GGG "dominated" Canelo, just not as much as Mayweather did? Where do you come up with this stuff? As you know, GGG never beat Canelo, GGG got a draw the first time, with one judge having Canelo winning wide, and the two other judges giving GGG just enough rounds to salvage a draw, the 2nd time Canelo getting the win via MD. Look, I know it's fun for you to play pretend when it comes to Canelo's scoring, but at some point you need to come to terms with reality instead of playing make believe.
     
  7. FastSmith7

    FastSmith7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Where do you come up with your stuff? Canelo vs GGG fights were both competetive but clear wins for GGG, Canelo vs Mayweather was a one sided beatdown where Canelo won 2 rounds at best. Go ahead believe the judges, they're definitely honest individuals, not at all prone to corruption
     
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  8. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Canelo deserves credit for coming that close to drawing Mayweather, especially a pre-prime drained Canelo who wasn't at his best. Canelo beat GGG in the rematch and GGG was lucky to get that draw the first time. You see these fights way differently than they were. You are entitled to your opinion, but I suspect you are biased against Canelo and are trying to pretend like something different happened in those fights than what actually happened. GGG did in fact lose, so I'm not coming up with any stuff other than what happened.
     
  9. ElCyclon

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    Doesn't everybody?
     
  10. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    lol
     
  11. iii

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    ...the lack of self-awareness is really quite something....
     
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  12. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    What lack of self-awareness are you referring to? What about what I said do you take exception with?
     
  13. African Cobra

    African Cobra The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council banned Full Member

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    There is no point in discussing this with you as you are so clearly wrong on everything.
     
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  14. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think we just have a different perspective on this. I made some very relevant points, I don't think it's a matter of who is wrong or right, it's a matter of what is factual and what isn't, and looking at the details of the situation.
     
  15. kiwi_boxer

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    WOW! :eek:





















    Didn't read.
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