The Pac express stops at 135!!

But why does it matter thatHatton fought Floyd at 147? Floyd wasn't a big guy and Hatton didn't have to cut that much weight. I think it did Hatton good not having to make 140.

 

I give him very little credit for beating a shot, dehydrated, De La Hoya. The fact that most of us thought DLH would be healthy coming into the fight does not automatically change the FACT that ODLH was extremely dehydrated and zombie like. I give credit when both fighters are healthy, even Freddie Roach admitted Oscar was done.

Pacquiao demanded a catch weight for Cotto, but just a few months later was perfectly fine fighting at the full welter weight limit. Clearly he was seeking an unfair advantage in a world title fight.

In most cases when someone loses by KO, they don't fully recover. Their ability to take a punch is diminished, and they are affected psychologically. After getting KTFO by Mayweather Ricky Hatton almost gets KTFO by a shot Juan Lazcano, that's all you have to know about his condition.

I'm in no way "trashing" Pacquiao. I am simply adding proper context.

 

When you watch Canelo's fights do you also consider the following factors in context? ;

Corrupt scoring

Canelo catch weights

Hydration clauses

Failed PEDs test TWICE

WBC favouritism

A pathetic six month "suspension" for a failed drug test

Las Vegas political protection

Opting out of VADA 365 testing under the pretence of having no September fight (also a perfect cover to cycle on/off PEDs....)

Let me know if I have missed something out.

 

Hatton was a beast and lineal Champion at 140.

At 147, he was getting knocked around like a ragdoll by Collazo, in fact I had him losing that fight. He clearly was not built for welter.

Mayweather was a genuine welter at this point with a giant reach. It doesn't surprise me he dominated the guy Collazo took to the limit. May had great wins, this isn't one of them.

 

I disagree for reasons I won't repeat.

 

Sketchy hand wraps.

 

The forum "experts" being wrong. How funny.

 

I use common sense and logic to form my opinions. With that said the first thing you touch is corrupt scoring, so lets discuss that using common sense and logic. Logic tells us that in order to win a boxing match at a minimum the fighter is required to have TWO judges score the fight for one of the fighters. In the two or three fights where he had a controversial score it was only ONE judge that had scored the fight heavily in favor of Canelo.

SO, USING common sense tells, it me that if there was indeed corruption, and a higher power was paying to ensure Canelo was the vector, THEN at a very minimum TWO judges would have to have been bought off , NOT ONE. So using my common sense, as bad as a single score is in a fight, I don't see how it is corruption if you need TWO judges.

What about them? How many were for title fights? How many were per his request? Golovkin has had three, Pacquiao has had half a dozen and at least 2 or 3 were for title fights. The four times Canelo did have a title fight at a catchweight his opponent were the ones who requested and benefited from it. Hatton, Mayweather, Cotto, Khan.

So let me get something straight, you're going to criticize Canelo for conceding to the demands of his opponents because he wanted to fight them? Wow.

Lets get some perspective here:

Canelo's opponents demand catchweights because they think they will benefit from them = Bad Canelo

Pacquiao demands catchweights for his opponents because he believes he will benefit from them = Good Pacquiao

LMAO, come on man. Lets be real.

Same as the IBF does. Why is it oaky for the IBF to request it but not Canelo. While I'm not a big fan of hydration clauses, the opponent doesn't have to agree or follow the rule as was the case with Jacobs.

AGAIN, you're not using common sense. Let me help you. Yes, he failed two tests. The tests were three days apart, the second test containing smaller traces of clenbuterol. COMMON SENSE tells us that they were from the same source. So while it was two different tests, any person with common sense and an IQ above 60 should know it was not two different incidents.

Here's the good part, I don't know 100% if Canelo is innocent or if he is juicing. What I do know is MX has a catlle problem. I also know that the director of SMRTL stated that the values found in the tests were consistent with the consumption of contaminated meat. I also know Canelo took a hail follicle test, and while the readings from a HFT may not be 100% reliable, it doesn't mean that it cannot detect clen. In fact, the only unreliable part is the amount of clen detected, but it can and will most likely detect clen if used blatantly. So again using logic, if Canelo was guilty, why would he take that major risk of bring exposed?

Also, Canelo almost immediately enrolled in VADAs 365/24/7 program, and during that time most feel he performed much better against GGG, he also moved up and destroyed Rocky Fielding and ou boxed Daniel Jacobs. You understand? All while being randomly tested.

Come on, try with all your might to use some common sense.

You'll have to elaborate more on this. What has the WBC done to give Canelo an advantage? What I do know is that Canelo told them to go f*** themselves when they tried to impose artificial deadlines for the fight against GGG, and then told them to go f*** themselves again when they tried to be part of the Canelo-JCCjr fight.

If you're talking about the new stupid title, I agree its stupid, but all it does is it allows Canelo to fight Jacobs, Kovalev, and any other top fighter the fans want to see without him losing that title for not fighting Jermall Charlo. Quite honestly I would him fight Andrade, Kovalev, Smith, Derevyanchnko, before Charlo who hasn't fought anyone at 160.

How long were Alexander Povetkin, Francisco Vargas, Orlando Salido, BJ Saunders, and many other fighters..WHy should Canelo be treated different? Especially when you consider the lengths we went to, to prove he was clean or at the evry least would be clean.

Use a little less bias in your judging if you want credibility.

LMAO!!!!! WTF does that even mean? Now you're just making sh** up? lol Come on bro.

Well, we come to full circle with this one. Nice job!

Canelo enrolled in VADAs 365/24/7 program in April 2018, he was enrolled until July 2019. Over a year.

From 04/2018- 07/2019 he rematched GGG, beat him to a pulp, he moved up in weight and destroyed Rocky Fielding, and fought and outboxed Daniel Jacobs... All while being subjected to random testing 24/7.

If you consider his excellent performances all while being tested randomly, it is safe to assume he was clean. So while Canelo was being randomly tested he has fought as good if not better than he ever has.

Bro, just remove your bias and use a little common sense and logic.

 

Isal, you're on the Canelo payroll. Nobody defends someone as hard as you do. You'd be a great patsy if the CIA ever pulled some Mexican related 'terror' attack on US soil.

 

Common sense and logic bro. Its all you need.

 

I do rank Vargas higher than Hatton, so that win is better imo. With that said we rarely ever discuss DLH, we also don't have a bunch of rabid DLH fan boys constantly making threads about him and his ATG ranking.

I was a huge DLH fan, but I'm realistic. IMO he was a tremendous LW champion, and the best welter weight champion of his era, and he also has a good argument about being the best JrMW of his era. I consider him a SFW champion as much as I consider Pacquiao a LW and SWW champion.

 

So your logic applies to Pac only but goes out of the window when talking Canelo huh?

 

Stacked hand wraps

 

What? What are you talking about? Im consistent in how I view fighters.