The parallels of Marciano and Wilder

Marciano broke into your kitchen last week. He told me when I saw him at the mall.

 

LOL@you....

That "Fraud " put your Tommy Zigeuner Boxing genius twice down hard..............and that was the Dusseldorf Fury except he looked better against WK who was afraid to let his hands go.........the draw was the right call unless you score points for clowing, facial expressions or raising your hands.........Fury was more active in the second half and won most of the rounds because Wilder was getting low on energy, that earned him the draw, however if he would have opened up from the beginning he would have to survive another knock down or possible knock out..........I guess Fury took that "Fraud" a lot more serious than you

Conclusion: Wilder is a very dangerous opponent with a limited arsenal but has the absolute believe that he can put you lights out at any time.....any lapse in concentration or getting tired/sloppy etc might be the end for you when facing Wilder, forget about skills, that makes him a very formidable opponent, period, nobody, past and present is simply just walking thru Wilder.

BTW, Fury is s defense minded negative spoiler with lots of conventional or awkward movement and fast hands with very little sauce behind, he has a flickering jab not a power jab and is difficult to hit clean............again , nobody past and present is simply walking thru Fury, by definition he will make you look bad.

 

Fury lost 130 pounds and had to kick a coke habit, which is why Wilder's camp agreed to fight him. Little did they know that Fury at 50% is still better than their joker.

88% of this community knows Fury won, because he did. If you are a Wilder nuthugger, than good for you. Duly noted. Don't expect the rest of us to lower our IQs for your sake.

 

It's a forced and ridiculous comparison.

Rocky might have had a tendency to fall behind on the cards against superior boxers, but he was always playing the long game, breaking guys down round after round, learning their rhythm, adapting to their patterns of attack and trying to find holes in their defence. By the mid-stage the tide would often be turning in Rocky's favour as he increasingly began to dominate until by the latter stages he had sufficiently broken down even the most elusive opponents to the point where a knockout became possible.

Wilder falls behind on the cards because he can't box, can't understand what the other fighter is doing, and can't adapt to their gameplan. Instead, he just throws wild shots in the hope that one lands and knocks his opponent out at some stage in the fight. Due to his generally poor run of opponents thus far that's been a tactic that's worked for him, but as we saw against Fury, it's sometimes not enough to get the job done.

Wilder's far more similar to someone like Max Baer than he is to the Rock. Huge natural power and unorthodox style but no brain behind it.

 

Good breakdown!

 

Wilder-Baer is the better analogy, especially if Baer were much better defensively and had a better understanding of space and distance.

 

Wilder isn't nearly as awful or clueless as people are making him out to be though. You'd think he just brainlessly stumbled around the ring, tripping over his feet and throwing random indiscriminate haymakers. He doesn't. He's more defensively aware than most power-punching heavyweights and he has a better sense of distance than a lot of old-school big men. He has a versatile jab and can use it for power or to measure and distract his opponents while he loads up on his right. Not my cup of tea at all and he's always going to have very awkward body mechanics, but skill-wise I think he measures up fine with some of the past heavyweights who get so much more love in this forum.

 

I wouldn't say he's absolutely clueless, but I have seen him stumble around; trip over his own feet and throw wild punches that miss the target - often enough (albeit, I'm sure there was an intended target so, not brainless). As for being defensively aware, I think he leaves himself wide open in all the preparation; execution and missing of his haymakers.

Sometimes his delivery is cringeworthy and, visually, that can sometimes live longer in the memory than a routine KO/TKO.

 

Go easy on the beans on toast...
Canadian, Brit and Mexican judges; Brit judge correctly had a draw. Only the Mexican judge was out of line.

 

Yep - 'Ineffective Aggression' seems to have caught on globally, as a legitimate criterion for scoring professional boxing matches.

 

No true; if that was the case Fury would have won hands down. Sticking out your tongue, hopping around and not throwing punches, raising your arms in the air BY DEFINITION is "Ineffective Aggression".

For the record, AGAIN, I had Wilder winning 3 of the first 8 rounds, then getting 10's for the 9th and 12th. That comes out to 113-113; exactly the same as the Brit judge. And I did not receive any wired funds for that score. Nor cash. Or Amazon gift cards.

 

Yeah , sure Sonny,

Your 88% means jack .........the history books have Ward, Canelo winning and both Tomatoe can Crushers loosing..........Wilder got a draw.......Holyfield got a draw against Lemmie, that is just the way it is snowflake.............btw , IQ, I recommend you sue your brain for non support, guaranteed pay out.

Now for the "Rest" of you.......if the Bodybuilder ever finds his balls to fight this so called Fraud another pipe dream of yours will be shattered because if the Fraud can land/knock down heavy the elusive spoiler Zigeuner Koenig he is putting the no head movement stiff as a board AJ to sleep for good.........

 

I get your message and I'm not a fan of 'display only' antics myself, but they don't represent aggression and, thus, do not, by definition, constitute "Ineffective Aggression".

Conversely, not connecting with more than 8 out of every 10 punches you throw at your opponent, like Wilder managed to do, really is 'Ineffective Aggression'. But, at least by throwing them, Wilder's offense probably looked more successful than it actually was and several of his air, glove and arm shots probably caught the attention of a couple of key observers.

Other than in rounds 9 and 12, almost all of Wilder's initiations were either blocked, evaded or smothered. So, I couldn't myself give three rounds, outside of the two KD rounds, to Wilder.

Fury could have done with generating a greater punch output, to be fair, but his lack of it shouldn't take away from the fact that he most likely out-landed Wilder over the course; had a better strike rate, whilst demonstrating a much better defense; wrapped in what was the superior strategy.

Still - goes to show that workrate for the sake of it can get you over the finish line in tact, if the right people are judging. Wilder isn't the first boxer to benefit from this and surely won't be the last.

 

Ha! Not even close.