The PBC Mafia saved a Charlo again!

It's not the be all end all in the US either. But like you said, it's the MEDIA that stokes up racial tensions constantly, not most normal people. I can't speak for anyone else, but personally a fighter's ethnically has no bearing on who I like as a fighter. It's actually mad to use that as your basis for who you like. Now I get that naturally there's always going to be some tribalism to support fighters of your own race or ethnicity, but that shouldn't be the starting point for who you like or the be all end all. I look for fighters who come across as real and genuine or who have a style in the ring that is inspiring or fun to watch. That's what it's about for me.

 

This. I have no complaints with a draw.

I had Castano up by 2-3 points at the end of the 9th round, but the last three rounds really hurt him and let Charlo back in the fight. Castano ran excessively in the 10th and the Judges tend to penalize you for that and even the Judge who had Castano winning scored it a 10-8 round for Charlo.

 

Fair play wasn't coming at you personally and didn't mean to cause offence but Americans are more divided than us in the UK.

I agree it's largely due to media and corporate manipulation, which we're having more of here.

 

Agreed... But not beyond 6-6 IMHO.

And that's where the problem comes in.

When the absolute best case on honest cards for one fighter is a draw, but they get given one bat**** crazy wide winning card and get a draw, there's something badly wrong...
If that judge gives it to him by one round you wonder what they're seeing, shake your head and move on - when they're scoring it that wide then something is badly wrong (the same thing happened in Fury-Wilder I for example).

On balance of probabilities, you wouldn't expect all three judges to call draw and that means if the scores, if reasonable, are either draw or a round or two up for Castano... then Castano should've won:
- 3 cards with Castano 1 or 2 rounds up is reasonable.
- 1 card draw and 2 cards Castano up is reasonable.
- 2 cards draw and 1 card Castano up would be unusual but acceptable.

It's seeing that, again, one unapologetic robbery card that says "I don't care what happens, home fighter wins wide" that really, really grates.

 

I give credit to both you idiot
I compare this to the Loma & Lopez fight. It was too little too late for Charlo.
The bigger name, homes town star and PBC cat got the gift of a draw.
Both fighters did their job but one clearly did the better job and that was not Charlo

 

You're the idiot if you're trying to compare this fight to Loma vs Lopez lmao. Loma CLEARLY lost, there was no argument whatsoever that he won or even deserved a draw vs Lopez. Lopez dominated Loma, Loma was clearly injured and threw almost no punches for the first half of the fight. It is absolutely ABSURD to try to compare that to this then say but Loma isn't corrupt cuz he didn't get the draw. Only delusional Loma fans tried to argue it was even remotely close.

Charlo vs Castaño was objectively close. It was a battle for undisputed, it was close and competitive on a round by round basis. YES Castaño took more rounds over the first 9 rounds and was ahead, but how far he was ahead it debatable. It was not one-sided by any stretch of the imagination like Loma vs Lopez was. I don't know what to tell you man, you thinking Castaño won is perfectly fine with me, no need to fight over that. I was fine with the draw, if you have a problem with that then go find a pillow and punch it as hard as you can. Charlo did better than his haters are giving him credit for. Again look at rounds 2, 5, 6, 10, 11 and 12. All of which were good Charlo rounds. Stop trying to create controversy for where there is none. Yes the 117-111 was wrong and suspicious, we all agree on that. But the actual result of the DRAW was fair. Even if you disagree with it, there's nothing inherently corrupt about the decision being a draw.

 

My point to you Ricky Re Tar Doe is that Loma, like Charlo did too little too late and deserved the loss but Charlo got a draw—-Use some critical thinking before you respond next time

 

No question about it, the 117-111 was far too wide. That judge gave Charlo round 4, I watched it back and didn't see how Charlo won that round. So I'm in agreement with you about that card. We seem to be conflating outrage over a rogue judge vs the actual decision of a draw. You could theoretically have Charlo winning by a narrow margin, but as I said last night, it's easier to argue Castaño won than it is to argue Charlo won. Castaño took it too him and landed more punches. However I would say Charlo was the more technically sound fighter, and again landed more jabs and was more explosive at times. And in two of the rounds hurt Castaño worse than Castaño hurt him. Though he did buckle Charlo's legs at the end of the 3rd round.

Again great fight, and it's unfortunate a rogue card creates such outrage and doubt over the verdict. It is what it is, I just don't think we should allow a rogue judge to detract from what was a great main event and really was an evenly matched fight. Delusional fans are as big of a problem for boxing as rogue cash cow judges. There's posters who are claiming that this fight wasn't even close. The fight was close, very close.

 

Also Ward SOG & Porter went on record saying Charlo got a PBC GIFT

 

the promoter part can be true, but if you're afraid of fighting in the US, then you have nothing to complain about when your career ends.

 

It's an ABSURD comparison. Lopez vs Loma was FAR more one-sided than Charlo Castaño was. For Loma it was far too little far too late. Charlo was in the fight thoughout and unlike Lopez Loma was competitive on a round by round basis. Now please stop making a fool out of yourself trying to make this crazy comparison lol.

 

Noted. I personally don't see it as a gift but I can understand why some people would think that.

 

how about the floyd-canelo 114-114 card?
here's your chance to show that you aren't blinkered by canelo without playing semantics.