The People's P4P List II

i think this list is better

 

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i love boxing ******s

 

When you meant "People", does this refer to you or some moronic chimpanzee who happens to know how to type?

Name any one black fighter from 135 below worth mentioning then your argument holds water. Just even one fighter or if you are not able to name one, even 1/2 or 1/4 would be good enough.

 

Well, you and your list sure as hell didn't and won't earn it!:deal

 

1 - How many black fighters did Manny have the opportunity to fight at the lower weights? This is a ridiculous arguement that I find hard to justify in any single way. It doesn't matter about ethnicity. You don't have to beat black fighters to be P4P #1. You beat the best around, and Manny has. I'm not even a big fan but look at the guys resume, Marquez, Barrera, Morales, Hatton, Sasakul, Ledwaba. It's outstanding.

2 - Marquez. So what if he lost to Norwood. Now I'm not going to claim it was a robbery like some people on here, he lost legitimately to Norwood and for me Norwood is the only guy to beat Marquez comfortably, where it couldn't be argued that JMM won. But again, who cares? Why does ethnicity come into it? This was before JMM's prime. He was unbeaten because he was working his way up as a prospect, and Norwood was a legit unbeaten world title holder and Marquez lost comfortably, so what? He didn't even have a belt then, and prime-for-prime I'd back JMM 100% to beat Norwood anyway. Again look at his resume - arguably win over Pacquiao, Casamayor, Diaz, Barrera - this guy deserves to be near the top of the P4P rankings.

3 - Who has Hopkins beaten? For one everybody at MW during his 10 year reign there. He beat P4P #1/2 Felix Trinidad, I won't mention Oscar as I don't hold that win that highly - Oscar was a welterweight who already lost to Felix Sturm at 160 - nor will I mention Winky as he was a natural 154. But Pavlik, unbeaten, big punching, undisputed MW champion, beat Taylor twice and a huge MW. And Hopkins took him to school. As he did with Antonio Tarver. Now Tarver at the time was the man at 175, and Hopkins dominated him. Now you are putting Chad Dawson #1 on the basis of him beating a much worse version of Tarver in a much more unimpressive fashion?

4 - Who has Shane Mosley beaten? In his last fight he destroyed an iron-chinned, huge welterweight who was top 7/8 P4P. Absolutely battered him. That holds more weight than any of Dawson's win, any of them. More weight than both Tarver wins & the Johnson 'win' combined.

It doesn't sound racist because I understand you are not meaning to be dirogetary and you're not, but it sounds incredibly stupid and ignorant to say a fighter can't be a P4P fighter if he doesn't beat black fighters.

 

Dawson? Are you dumb? Tarver is washed up and was never much anyway

 

So beating C- level fighters Vicente Mosquero & Antonio Pitalua gets you in the top 10 huh? If you've got Valero in there why not JuanMa several places above him? Now I don't have JuanMa top 10 P4P but by your logic he should be, because wins over Daniel De Leon & Gerry Penalosa are far more impressive than Valero's top 2 victories. Both are unbeaten, big punching, Lopez far more skilled and far more ready to take on the top fighters in his division.