The Phantom Punch boxing documentary

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  1. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    A ton of voices that I've never heard of before, from people that were there and made the rematch between Liston and Ali come together. It seemed it was quite the event and made all sorts of waves in it's own time, looking back on it with the retrospect of the present even more so.

    Not sure how much this one has been seen previously, but it clocks in at less than half an hour and I legitimately enjoyed it. I hope you do too, fellow classic posters!

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  2. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Almost 50 views and not a single response? Come on. I don't think everyone's already seen this one, and it's a compelling piece in it's own right, so what's up?
     
  3. reznick

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    It’s a bit of a scattered piece but definitely interesting. Interesting how one guy there swore he saw no punch even thrown.

    Also some describe it as a flicking punch. With the benefit of replay we can see it isn’t.

    Thanks for posting!
     
  4. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    People who say “If the ‘anchor punch’ is such a big weapon why did Ali never throw it in any other fight?“ need to rewatch Ali (Clay) vs. Cleveland Williams. First knockdown in the second round was the same punch off the back-shuffle.
     
  5. Birmingham

    Birmingham Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Liston took a dive. The punch landed, lets for argument sake say it was hard enough to drop him. What followed was a complete load of bull after being dropped and trying to get back up. Terrible acting job
     
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    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    I agree. A little turn of the wrist while liston walks in. Fixed fight. The whole thing between JJ and Nat is beyond ridiculous.
     
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  7. Russell

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    Seemed incredibly incompetent for two men with so much shared experience between the two. Then again, this isn't the only time Jersey Joe blew a call as a ref or commissioning body member.
     
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    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    Yea I mean the whole thing was so ridiculous. As stated before who gave Nate that authority? Then Walcott listens! I feel bad for JJ seemed like a really nice guy who just panicked. Liston looked like he didn't want to b there at that point. Just horrible
     
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  9. Russell

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    Well, I don't think Liston had the kind of unshakable self belief/borderline delusion that a young Ali had. When death threats were made against him, he seemed to take them far more seriously than Ali, as the documentary notes. It's really not a bad reason to want to get out of a fight if you're going to be honest about it, the looming specter of being gunned down violently in the ring if you win. Malcom X had been violently executed not long before in such a public way...
     
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    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    Exactly..that's why he looked like he just wanted to be done with the whole mess.
     
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  11. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yeah. I think it really might come down to being as simple as that.
     
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