The Phenomenon Of The Terrible First Round-Does It Lead To Bad Judging Of The Match?

chacal · Jul 27, 2015

CST80 said: ↑

6-4 I changed round 3 to Gonzalez after the fact, unlike official judges I have that luxury:deal
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Sure, did you change your scorecard before or after rewatching the fight? You changed it so fast, so i dont think you rewatched the full fight. Anyway, what's done is done, nothing will change the fact that pascal won, but dont tell me we miss-scored that fight when you had an unreal scorecard. You just gave your points using a dice, no problem, sometimes those things happen, to me, to you and to everybody, but I dont buy your story, sorry.

Edit: no bad feelings man, i dont want you to think that i'm stalking you, i know you know more about boxing than i do, just that i dont buy it. That's all.

CST80 · Jul 27, 2015

chacal said: ↑

Sure, did you change your scorecard before or after rewatching the fight? You changed it so fast, so i dont think you rewatched the full fight. Anyway, what's done is done, nothing will change the fact that pascal won, but dont tell me we miss-scored that fight when you had an unreal scorecard. You just gave your points using a dice, no problem, sometimes that things happen, to me, to you and to everybody, but I dont buy your story, sorry.
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During the fight, I didn't have time while doing the RBR to go back and change it, its hard to watch a round and type out a rundown of it in the minute break, I regretted scoring round 3 which I initially called close to start with for Pascal but I'd have missed some of the fight if I'd have wasted time to go back through the 5 or 6 pages looking for it to change so I made a mental note to score it for Yunieski in my final scorecard ....therefore it was 6-4 Pascal instead of 7-3 in my final score.

mattdonnellon · Jul 27, 2015

The recent Frampton fight would argue against this hypothesis .

OvidsExile · Jul 27, 2015

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The recent Frampton fight would argue against this hypothesis .
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Or the Jamie McDonnell vs Tomoki Kameda match. There wasn't a damn bit of difference between their two performances with the exception of Kameda's 3rd round knockdown which should have won him the fight, but somehow judges managed to give McDonnell every close round and the fight too.

CST80 · Sep 20, 2018

I was all about The Story Of The Match, long before that phony Max Kellerman.

Inside pass · Sep 20, 2018

Yes I agree this happens.
Especially when the favourite or more popular boxer has a great first round you unconsciously only watch what that boxer does expecting something to happen.
In the khan v Garcia fight the commentators where all over khans speed n boxing, but Garcia was setting him up for hooks early an was only just missing. When I rewatched it n watched Garcia closely its no surprise he got the ko.

velagod · Sep 20, 2018

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In my personal opinion I think the way a first round plays out can a effect the way the entire match is perceived in the eyes of the fans and judges alike. When you see a fighter especially a popular one get badly hurt in the first round when no one expected it that changes the tenor of the match, it effects our mindset because it makes us think that every shot that's landing on the hurt fighter for the next few rounds will be the shot that puts him down and gets him out of there. We are anticipating the fighter will be stopped in some fashion, so therefore it changes the way we perceive it and clouds our judgment when scoring. But the reality is many times the hurt fighter wins the second or third or fourth rounds usually all close but are not given credit for it, because we're not seeing the fight as clearly as we should. We give the fighter far too much credit in the ensuing rounds sometimes far more than he deserves.

A few examples Froch-Groves 1 the fact that Groves this "nobody" to most non British fans dropped the iron chinned Froch, that shocked most fans to their core and even the British commentators, so it affected how the match played out to most fans especially in their minds. Everyone thought Froch who was put down by Groves straight right would surely go down from one of the multitude of follow up rights Groves landed in the subsequent rounds, so they all judged the majority of the match in Groves favor while he was dominating the early rounds, Froch started doing much better in the middle rounds, possibly stealing a few half way through and eventually won by controversial TKO. The match wasn't nearly as one sided as fans thought it was but that first round was hard to mentally overcome, their judgement was clouded.

Bradley-Provodnikov, Tim was hurt so badly in the first two rounds that caused everyone watching to sit in anticipation waiting for the eventual Knockout shot from Ruslan that would follow, yet it never came and all the while fans were waiting and in some cases hoping, they weren't seeing Bradley boxing Ruslan's ears off while on the backfoot. It was a close fight but Timmy won it, but the first two rounds messed with everyone's heads. Granted the missed KD wouldn't have had an effect on the judges cards, so that was a bad call.

Algieri-Provodnikov, Algieri went down once from a huge shot to his eye and then took a knee to clear the cobwebs. So everyone thought it was only a matter of time before this unknown nobody gets put down for good, yet the follow up knockdown never came, but judgment was clouded and fans gave many of the following rounds to Ruslan that he did not deserve at all, an argument could be made that Algieri outworked him in the last 11 rounds and swept the scorecards but most fans thought it was far closer than it actually was.

Pascal-Gonzalez, Jean was hurt pretty badly from a few shots Yunieski landed on him in the first round almost out on his feet at times, but in the following round Jean kept his cool and was slipping many of Yunieski's shots by ducking low and catching the main impact either on the back of his neck or between his shoulder blades, those were not scoring shots, meanwhile in the exchanges Jean slipped many shots while landing the cleaner work, but the fans not seeing clearly because they thought Jean was done for, gave Yunieski many close rounds that he didn't fully deserve.

Pacquiao-Marquez the worst first round to end all bad first rounds. JMM was dropped 3 times, meanwhile he outboxed Manny for the remainder of the match but at least he got the Split Draw, because the judges didn't let the events of the first round hamper their perception of the fight all that much.

Do you agree or disagree that this happens frequently? Share your thought and examples.
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Also if a boxer dominates early rounds then when it gets slightly closer the person who was being dominated gets the the closer rounds purely cause he’s closed the gap from earlier on for example kov Ward 1. When really it should be judged round by round not this story **** max kellerman is talking about.

IntentionalButt · Sep 20, 2018

JMM vs. Pac I...

And some of those psycho fanboys would even claim that PAC was the one that get robbed because of some bureaucratic human error with tabulation depriving him of a single point. AS IF THE NEXT ELEVEN ROUNDS WERE CLOSE ENOUGH THAT A SINGLE POINT MADE A DIFFERENCE.

Like you said, JMM, once he managed to spatula himself off the canvas and stay upright, shook it off and put on a boxing clinic. And got punished with a draw, because of that ugly first impression.

dellboi94 · Sep 20, 2018

It's actually a very interesting theory that may have some merit to be honest. One thing I have noticed, especially amongst fans that if an underdog is performing better than expected, they are more inclined to score rounds to him despite him actually maybe not winning the round.

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