THE POLL: Haye vs Klitchsko - whose fault is it?

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  1. DamonD

    DamonD Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Bottom line, whoever's to blame, it's looking less likely to happen then ever and for that everyone deserves the blame and massive disappointment is my overriding emotion.

    This really should've happened and it's desperately sad each time it looks less likely.

    I can only hope, like Lewis-Holyfield, in the end it becomes too irresistable to ignore doing and outside pressures force it to happen.
     
  2. Vano-Irons

    Vano-Irons Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Both! These guys could learn alot for the Super 6 contestants as well as the Bantams!
     
  3. dftaylor

    dftaylor Writer, fanatic Full Member

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    I can't find any source for that. Where did you hear it from?
     
  4. achillesthegreat

    achillesthegreat FORTUNE FAVOURS THE BRAVE Full Member

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    The situation has simply embarrassed boxing, as has the Pac vs Floyd debacle.

    What does it matter that all these great fights happen but the ones that could truly define legacies and outline an era don't happen!
     
  5. BoxerGaz

    BoxerGaz East Side Boxing VIP Full Member

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    Both at fault tbh

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  6. HOF

    HOF Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You should probably add Booth to that list. Even though boxing promotion is not exactly a transparent business, the number of negative comments regarding Booth from rival promoters is concerning. Altho Warren has a natural disliking of Haye and Booth, it is interesting to hear him say with regard to DeGale-Groves,

    "Booth told me on a number of occasions that DeGale-Groves was close to being done. But then he'd go on the missing list for days at a time. He'd claim he'd been in meetings - he must be a busier man than a one-armed Bangkok taxi driver in the rush hour with nits.

    If Groves is truly up for it, he should tell his team to pull their fingers out and sign a contract."

    Its too early for DeGale-Groves anyway, but Booth being trainer/busniess manager/promoter isn't working when it comes to getting fights on. Warren has vested interests, but this wouldn't be the first time Booth has led rival promoters up the garden path to the wrong door. The Klitschkos are also control freaks but given Booth's previous form you'd have to say himself and Haye are not looking too trustworthy at the mo.
     
  7. TheUzi

    TheUzi MISSION INCOMPLETE Full Member

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  8. achillesthegreat

    achillesthegreat FORTUNE FAVOURS THE BRAVE Full Member

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    A compelling argument from Wlad via Steward. One I agree with. From the front page.

    His views on the breakdown in negotiations between Wladimir Klitschko and David Haye:

    “Well it’s very frustrating for me as an observer just reading and watching. I spoke to Wladimir. I have not spoken to David naturally, but from Wladimir’s viewpoint this is what happened: they had completed negotiations for a fight which he was hopeful was going to be April 2. Based on I guess the Sky TV scheduling they would not two pay-per-view fights in April because they had the Amir Khan fight. They moved the fight back all the way to July and Wladimir said that was fine and he agreed to it, but he didn’t want to go that long without having a fight, because he wants to get as many fights as he can in during this last stage of his career. So he decided that he wanted to go ahead and take the fight and finish his commitment, which he felt he was obligated to do, with Chisora. So he wanted to do that fight for the 30th. That was all signed and all of a sudden I read when David went berserk.

    I spoke to Wladimir about it. I understand David’s viewpoint as well as Wladimir’s, and Wladimir’s point was, ‘It’s just hard for me to just sit and wait for a July 2nd fight because I really don’t have that much faith in Haye’s commitment because he once pulled out of a fight just two weeks or ten days or whatever before a fight. He just pulled out. There was no injury, that’s bullsh*t. Then he negotiates with my brother for a fight, and at the same time they were getting ready to finalize the contract they found out he had been negotiating at the same time for Valuev. Rather than wait a whole year, I decided to just take a fight in April and then I’ll go ahead and fulfill that obligation in July. But I’m not surprised and upset with David’s reaction. I just can’t trust or depend on him with his past record with me and my brother, so I want to take this fight and I’ll still be prepared to fight July 2. So that’s where it stands’.

    Now I hear Adamek is coming into the picture and whatever, but there is a lot of confusion. Anything dealing with David Haye is going to be a lot of problems like that. David Haye is a businessman more so than a boxer. That’s the best I can say. I respect him for doing what he’s doing, but I also have to respect Wladimir because Wladimir is a fighter and he wants to fight and he feels that he should fight two to three times a year minimum and that’s what he says he’s going to do. He doesn’t see a problem with fighting in July. That’s David’s situation. So I respect both of them and whatever happens, happens.”
     
  9. BoxerGaz

    BoxerGaz East Side Boxing VIP Full Member

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    When do you think Haye will make an announcment on his next opponent?

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  10. NO MAS

    NO MAS Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Both are at fault for this not happening...:yep

    If they are both so convinced that they can beat each other they should do a first for World Boxing...One purse, Winner take all, end of, either put up or shut up...:deal
     
  11. BIG WORM

    BIG WORM Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think Hayes shitting himself... I think he knows his limitations and would rather save himself the beating and retire with his ego in tact
     
  12. dftaylor

    dftaylor Writer, fanatic Full Member

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    Steward's is the first balanced, fair viewpoint I've seen on the topic in months.
     
  13. chrisfinch

    chrisfinch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Both, this is basically how I see it.

    Haye doesn't want to fight Vitali.
    Wladimir doesn't want to fight Haye.

    As long as both of those situations continue, we'll go nowhere.
     
  14. WalletInspector

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    About time he got something right. ;)

    Was watching the Martinez-Pavlik fight last night where he goes on about Martinez's left hand being a show punch with nothing in it. :yep
     
  15. Black2023

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    Both without a doubt, they have both been pedantic in the negotiations, clearly thinking about the money first, and both have a professional fear of each other. They know that they could derail each other in a brutal fight, or lose and don't want to lose their pay checks.

    The way boxing is organised, allows the fighter who gets to the top of the mountain to dictate how and when he fights which in turns create a messy dictatorship of division. Think about it from Wlad and Haye perspective, both men are/have gotten away with fighting the likes of Chisora, and Harrison in defending there heavyweight belts. Neither man is in the top 20 in division and yet they both face the top tier fighters....look at Vitali, he has gotten away with fighting Sownoski, Johnson and a way past it Briggs.

    Judging by the current rankings of each orginsation and the way in which all 3 fighters have been going about there business.

    David Haye could easily get away with this-

    May - R. Chagaev WBA (mandatory)
    Oct - H. Rahman WBA

    Earn 5 million a piece.

    Wlad this year could fight

    April D.Chisora
    Sep T. Adamek (WBO mandatory)
    Dec C. Welliever

    Earns 3 to 5 mill a piece

    Vitali

    Mar O. Solis (hard fight here - Mandatory)
    Oct D. Rossy

    Earns 3 to 5 mill a piece.