The Popular Perception and Legacy of David Tua

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  1. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Just fan boyism.
     
  2. fists of fury

    fists of fury Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    What adversity? What are you on about? I'm not saying all new guys here are alts, it's clear for example that Heizenberg is not an alt, but several guys that have popped up recently pretty much the same posting style and same or similar opinions.
    I don't want to derail the thread, but I know who the legit guys here are. Whether you're one of them or not only time will tell.
     
  3. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Oh come on, it was ball licking at its worst. The greatest single puncher of all time etc.
    Izon, Cameron Wilson,Sullivan. Give me a break.
     
  4. mcvey

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    I'm just realistic about Tua, the reason he didn't acheive more is because he didn't want it enough and allowed himself to get bloated and out of shape. He is a nearly man no more.The idea that Lewis played safe against him is farcical ,Tua swallowed it plain and simple ,he fought to survive not win. Tua's list of wins contains very few world class fighters.and several of those you included were really journeymen.
    "He was giving him a fair shake"?
    He was giving him a blow job!
     
  5. mcvey

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    He was out of shape in earlier fights.

    The original statement was that

    "Lennox used his length and played pot shot all night avoiding a scrap at all cost against a wounded bull."

    This is bull**** and what I took issue with.
    " Nearly an entire foot in height," is also hyperbole, the difference is 7 inches, ie just over half a foot. Maybe the fact that he was in the ring with an opponent who was palpably a class above him was the reason for his lack lustre display?
     
  6. fists of fury

    fists of fury Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    That's fine. I'm not here to impress you.

    For the record...I've never reported a poster or put on one ignore. Not my style.
    I have the philosophy that give a fool enough rope, and he'll hang himself sooner or later. :good
     
  7. mcvey

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    The main point I'm making is that , once Tua had sampled a couple of right hands he settled for lasting the distance and did not try to win.
    Tua was out boxed by Byrd, and Oquendo as well as Lewis.It wasn't hard to do. He was a decent fighter, but by no means a great one.
     
  8. McGrain

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    I think that Tua is generally underated. But yeah, he's not the greatest HW not to win a title, that's ****ed up.
     
  9. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    Exactly right. Lewis toyed with him after the first few rounds.
     
  10. sauhund II

    sauhund II Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The problem for Tua was besides his lackluster attitude towards discipline that once you stuck a consistent jab in his face he was pretty much defused, he never learned to cut off the ring and a tell tale sign of the above was when he had to come from behind in the later rounds against average contenders/gatekeepers or one timers because he was getting outboxed........once you move up against more quality opponents you will eventually run out of rounds for the left hook to bail you out.

    He sat on his ranking, got fat and put on one of the worst HWT challenges in years....I would say he most likely qualifies as a over achiever because lazy fat guys usually dont go very far.

    "You need more than a left hook and a bad haircut to be a champion"



    Tua was a contender, nothing more or less, even if he would have won a belt he would have pulled a Douglas for his first defense.
     
  11. SKS1943

    SKS1943 Active Member Full Member

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    It's kind of hard NOT to have a lackluster attitude when you've been forced at the tender age of 8 years old into doing something you don't care about. This psychological factor was pointed out and addressed in the article, learn how to read.
     
  12. sauhund II

    sauhund II Boxing Addict Full Member

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    F off, countless fighters have come from extremely shitty backgrounds.......Bowe/Tyson come from neighborhoods were the average life expectancy for a teen is 12.......Bowe sister was murdered right before he stepped into the Ring with Lewis in the Olympics.........Rahman was shot at and cut up badly in gang related incidents/recks.........and you cry about some fat guy whose daddy did not give him huggies ? LOL, why dont you check out some American ghettos, they make your Kiwi ghettos look like Beverly Hills.
     
  13. SKS1943

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    I'm a psychology major actually, Stanford University and I boxed in my teens for 5 years until I was 18. I'm not a pro boxer or a coach, nor am I the smartest man on the planet but I do know a few things about boxing, the physical biomechanical components will always be primary factors as this is a physical sport but in my opinion the mental psychological factors such as the boxer's childhood and the mental makeup of the fighter are also MAJOR DECIDING FACTORS for that fighter and his career, these psychological factors should NOT be overlooked. To me this concept is really not that hard to understand because boxers are human beings just like us. You look at David Tua, he's this extremely stocky guy who's built like a beast and he's so tough that he hardly ever gets hurt and is damn near impossible to knock out but he's still a human being and what took place in his childhood and him being forced to become a boxer and spar against grown men at 8 years of age has definitely affected his career because deep down only he knows that he never wanted to this, in an interview last month he even stated that he does not want his sons to box due to the pressure.

    Simple and plain, it takes heart to become a champion, it's not that Tua never had heart but the heart he did have was never channeled into boxing and you can't force human beings to become something they have no interest and expect them to succeed to the highest level of whatever you forced them into. Just look at Marciano, HE decided in his 20's that he wants to become the heavyweight champion of the world and HE put his heart into this dream and went after it like a mad bull. The heart and psychological determination of a fighter are just as important as the physical attributes of the fighter such as size, strength and reach. The fact that Tua reached an elite level and fought in a world championship title fight, the fact that he knocked out 5 Heavyweight Champions. It's absurd because he accomplished these feats without determination and heart but purely on the strength of the genetic gifts he's been blessed with, monstrous power and a titanium chin. What I suspect is that Tua simply never possessed the EGO that motivates men to become the best in whatever they pursue, Tua at an early age was beaten into being humble and docile which was a norm in his Samoan culture as submission to elder members of the family was one of the first things instilled into children through force.
     
  14. SKS1943

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    First off, you're a ****ing idiot and you need to keep your ****ing mouth shut if you don't know what the **** you're talking about. Bowe and Tyson didn't come from neighborhoods "were the average life expectancy for a teen is 12". I grew up in the 90's in East Oakland, California which to this day is still a more violent hood than Brownsville, Brooklyn, matter of fact, East Oakland right now is one of the top 3 most dangerous places in Calfifornia, along with Richmond and East L.A. The funny thing is I've actually lived what you're trying to tell me and I can tell you that a lot of people do have it very hard and a lot of people don't even have a father and mother like Tua had and they grow up with no parental guidance whatsoever but let me ask you this, name one boxer who was FORCED into the sport at an early age like David Tua was and went on to become a world champion?

    I shouldn't even have replied to as you, as you're a ****ing idiot. I'm not even a Kiwi by the way, I don't even know what you based that assumption on but next time shut the **** up because you really made yourself look like an idiot with the "were the average life expectancy for a teen is 12". I grew up in one of the top 5 most dangerous hoods in California and you're trying to tell me about how bad the ghetto is, get the **** out of here.
     
  15. fists of fury

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    I like this post.