The Povetkin that knocked Takam with a single shot vs Joshua and Wilder

Not a good comparison, since Takam can't punch while Wilder and Joshua can. Takam landed a ton of flush shots on Povetkin and failed to put a dent in him and eventually punched himself out and was knocked out.

Povetkin also would'nt fight Wilder and Joshua as aggressively as he did Takam.

 

Meldonuim has never been approved or distributed outside of Eastern Europe so saying it was "always legal" is a lie.

Its a lab produced performance enhancer and was on the international watch list prior to it being banned - meaning don't take if you're a professional athlete .

 

Joshua fought Takam on a weeks notice having prepared to fight a taller guy with a totally different style. He was heavier than he should have been for a mover like Takam yet he still didn't lose a round.

If Takam fought a lighter Joshua like he fought Povetkin , he would have been stopped in a matter of rounds without ever being in the fight.

 

Punching power in boxing really isn't a metaphysical concept or a mystery. Punching power is based on 3 principles:

1) Technique - No PEDs can improve or effect.

2) Size (especially functional size such as muscle mass) - Which PED can improve and effect.

3) Speed - PED can improve this attribute too.


Povetkin's size and speed remained the same as usual. So PED couldn't have improved his punching power, any more than the punching power which Anthony Joshua has from his muscles.

PED's aren't metaphysical concepts. If Povetkin was truly on PEDs that improved his punching power significantly, we would be witnessing significant changes in his muscle mass and speed. But of course that's not the case! Therefore, PEDs played pretty much no factor in his punching power.

It's literally embarrassing being fearful of a chubby, 6 foot 1 guy with very little muscles and a lot more fat, compared to a real physical specimen like Joshua with mostly muscles and no visible fat and trying to pretend that the bigger and more muscular guy in Joshua is facing a greater disadvantage and danger compared to the fat pudding in Povetkin. What? Only because of a few picogram of a substance which couldn't even enhance a fly, never mind a human being?

 

I like Povetkin, but this part.... what!

 

And I should care because?

 

Sure, he would be stopped prematurely. And I should be impressed by that because?

I could reverse the scenario and argue that a prime Takam that fought Povetkin would arguably beat any version of Joshua thus far.

Joshua had preparation problems. And Takam was past his best after already been brutally KO'ed and growing a few more years older. So that evens out!

 

Wait..."supposed PED", are you suggesting he hasn't been shown to be a PED cheat?

 

Povetkin will be competitive because of his style and power.

 

PEDs don't necessarily turn you into a body builder.

Real world situation is that the Povetkin vs Takam fight was very very close until Povetkin pulled from a tank which now would be more empty and managed a peach of a shot which would be unlikely to be repeatable.

Joshua did get an Early stoppage BUT that fight was extremely easy to see who was winning. If both fights were done with the same fighters but with clean refs and blood streams it would be much safer to bet on AJ

 

Power lifters aren't body builders. Strong man contestants aren't body builders. But guess what? Every competition where strength and power is of the biggest importance, muscle is pretty much always seen. Because more / bigger muscles = more / greater strength / power. However, boxing, unlike strongman competitions and power-lifting competitions, isn't just about strength and power. Thus, a boxer doesn't have to be very muscled because they can make up for their lack of power / strength with other attributes (although may be not in the heavyweight division).

It doesn't matter how competitive the fight was before it was ended. Fact is, Povetkin totally incapacitated Takam. Doesn't matter what happened previously. After the incapacitation, the fight became non-competitive because the win is indisputable.

On the other hand, Joshua vs Takam fight wasn't over because neither guy was totally incapacitated. Ergo, that fight had question marks written all over it. It was incomplete. Ergo, it was a disputed and a controversial win.

Ergo, Povetkin's indisputable win over Takam > Joshua's disputable win over Takam.

Could Povetkin repeat the KO over Takam? It depends if he's pushed. If he is, then he very well could.

 

What I am suggesting, is that PED is a very complicated concept. PED can be as simple as caffeine. Or as complex as something that literally transforms the entire human body, to the point where it becomes significantly enhanced, more muscular, bigger and etc.

Do I believe that a pudgy, fat, short, 6 foot 1, very little muscled and non-ripped Alexander Povetkin was on the latter type of PED? Absolutely not! As no clear evidence suggests he was.

Could Povetkin have been on the former type of PED? For sure! Just like any other human, never mind just athletes could also have been. It's a product of the 21st century.

 

The Takam KO by Povetkin was impressive but let's be honest he hit Takam with a **** load of shots in the previous rounds.

Takam also hit Povetkin with some brutal shots that physically moved Povetkin. Povetkin clearly struggled in this fight, he came out on top by simply being in better shape and more durable.

I'd give prime Povetkin a shot at both Wilder and Joshua. He hit's hard, neither are the type to smother him like Wlad, so he'll have opportunities against both. I'd give him a much better chance vs Wilder though. Joshua has that brutal uppercut that could really hurt Povetkin, but if Povetkin can take Joshua's power, though that is a big if, then maybe he can wear Joshua down late.

 

Takam went to war with Povetkin, and won half the rounds, before being beaten by a stoppage caused by fatigue. Against the bodybuilder, he was just content on circling along the ropes, and surviving. It was a poor performance by Joshua, but if Takam fought more aggressive. The bodybuilder would have beat him down brutally, lol.

 

Feels like we're going around in circles. I might leave it until after the Joshua vs Povetkin fight, then it'll be easier to come back here and state who is on what level in this fight when Povetkin has his second loss on his record.