The PPV Numbers Issue: Pac V Floyd Since 2007

*DISCLAIMER* I am **** at maths - Like, borderline ******ed so feel free to point that out if any glaring mistakes appear!!!! I'm TRYING to do a Pac/Floyd thread based on fact - Not ridiculous statements or nut riding.

I know this is a select period of time, maybe I should have gone back to their history from 2000 onwards - But I chose to take it from 2007 as DLH really put Money in the drivers seat as far as PPV goes.

Since 2007:

Mayweather Vs DLH = 2,400,000
Mayweather Vs Hatton = 850,000
Mayweather Vs Marquez = 1,050,000
Mayweather Vs Mosley = 1,400,000
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Total 5,700,000

Pac Vs Solis = 200,000
Pac Vs MAB II = 350,000
Pac Vs JMM II = 400,000
Pac Vs Diaz = 250,000*
Pac V De La Hoya = 1,250,000
Pac V Hatton = 850,000
Pac V Cotto = 1,250,000
Pac V Clottey = 700,000
Pac V Margarito = 1,150,000
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6,400,000* (probably a few thousand less based on source for Diaz PPV numbers)

Now given DLH is the main PPV draw that we could take away from both fighters resume.

Which would then look like:

Mayweather Vs Hatton = 850,000
Mayweather Vs Marquez = 1,050,000
Mayweather Vs Mosley = 1,400,000
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Total 3,300,000

Pac Vs Solis = 200,000
Pac Vs MAB II = 350,000
Pac Vs JMM II = 400,000
Pac Vs Diaz = 250,000*
Pac V Hatton = 850,000
Pac V Cotto = 1,250,000
Pac V Clottey = 700,000
Pac V Margarito = 1,150,000
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5,150,000*

Source http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pay-per-view
Source for MAB fight http://philboxing.com/news/story-13314.html
Source for Solis http://philboxing.com/news/story-17921.html
Source for Diaz http://forum.philboxing.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=103980

Happy for anyone to supply differnt numbers to the Solis, Diaz and MAB II fights, though I'm not sure Pac fought Solis as a headline PPV?

Floyd could be argued to provide more bang for your buck on an event by event basis. However, you're HBO's CEO and you're looking at which fighter has generated more money over a period of time for the company - It's pretty clear who the PPV king is. The one doing the fighting, particularly post the DLH fight with Floyd and Manny.

Because while Floyd - COULD EASILY have outsold Pacquiao over the same period if rather than saying who he COULD have beaten and what he COULD have done - Pacquiao has been out there actually DOING something.

You can make derogatory statements about the quality of the opposition, you can question cynically if some of the fights were not as challenging as they COULD have been - But the simple fact is that Pac has DONE more, somewhere in the nature of 700,000 more if you count both fighters against the Golden Boy, or 1.85 million if you take the Golden boy away from both fighters totals.

I have no doubt Floyd WOULD have outsold Manny over that same period of time, the averages don't lie - But he HAS NOT outsold Pac.

I would still be inclined to pick Mayweather by a UD over over Manny, I would still think that stylisitically, Mayweather is a nightmare for Roach and Manny and I really hope they fight for the sake of both fighters legacy.

However - You really can't make the case that Floyd is the PPV king because he chose to retire and fight once a year on his comeback to the sport. He has not outsold Pacquiao overall since the DLH fight.

I don't think I've pushed anything but facts in here aside from the prediction paragraph - I welcome another take on this as long as its a level of factual analysis.

Please - I don't want to discuss what Floyd COULD have done - But at the very least on behalf of boxing fans - I think this shows that 50/50 is more than fair at this point of their careers.

* Career Vs Career Floyd outsells Manny for sure - But - it's really since they became headliners and the context of recent events that drive the negotiations.

Flame away if you will - I was curious and thought it warranted a factual discussion, not one based on fandom.

 

I 100% agree with that question as I always ask it myself - However when dealing with Floyd Mayweather fans and in the interest of looking at the target market of the PPV provider - I left OS figures out.

I would imagine both fighters would generate significantly more numbers - Particularly on the Hatton fight.

 

Source?


That is mine for the 850,000 -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pay-per-view

Happy to change if you can provide a more reliable one.

 

Not really - But the numbers don't lie as certain people like to say ad nauseum.

 

Who has earned more PPV revenues since 2007?

That's all I was interested in analysing - Who has drawn more?

 

Is that Pac's fault? You're not really getting the spirit of the thread here eze...