The pressure fighter vs the moving boxer?

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  1. Mike_b

    Mike_b Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Who usually wins between the come forward pressure style vs the boxer with rythm? Or is it a moot point?

    Just rewatching Cotto Margarito 2 r' now, Cotto is the quintessential boxer, the smaller man with bounce in his step (Juan laporte commentated that that bouncing rythm is detrimental because it wastes a lot of energy, how long can he do it for in a 12 round fight?). Margarito, the larger crude come forward pressure style fighter to his credit has extraordinary conditioning. People were asking would Margarito Cotto 2 repeat part 1?

    Anyway who do you prefer in a match up like these? Like max Kellerman said "who would you rather be?" Story of the fight lol. Such other matchups were JCC sr vs meldrick taylor, Maidana vs Mayweather, and so on and so forth.

    Just a side note, why is Cotto slept on? He was just as exciting as Arturo Gatti (may he rest in peace) also looking forward to his 400 page book! Give Cotto a few gift decisions and he becomes an atg, such as Canelo fight, Mayweather fight. I can't remember how many championship fights he's been in, but it ranks up there

    Btw, speaking of boxers with rythm, Evander Holyfield had some pep in his step, a jumping up and down power boxer, however he was notorious for brawling and trading swapping punches toe to toe in every fight. I guess what I'm trying to say is that there are (pure) boxers who like to (slug) brawl. Every style is different all across the board. Please list your favorite boxer vs puncher fight as well as your opinion on who wins and why? Thank you very much.
     
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  2. Ioakeim Tzortzakis

    Ioakeim Tzortzakis Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I just have to go with the pressure fighter. The image of Muhammad Ali, the man with far and away the best movement above 200 lbs, being stalked and mauled by the aggressive, pressuring and erratic Frazier in FOTC, is forever burned in my mind. So is the image of the far less talented Maidana sending the brilliant Mayweather to the ropes and slugging him. As is the bloody face of Meldrick Taylor after getting up from the floor against Chavez, after being far ahead on the cards. I sometimes even have dreams of the relentless Harry Greb beating me half to death, but that is probably my brain trying to cope with the fact that my High School crush ended up having a thing with his doppelganger for a while.
     
  3. Mike_b

    Mike_b Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Wow greb kicking ur asz, that sounds like a nightmare!
     
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  4. Mike_b

    Mike_b Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I guess in a pressure vs pressure fight, it doesn't matter about the size , it comes down to who has the better defence. I'm simply refering to the Pacquiao Margarito fight for reference to tell you the truth!
     
  5. Mike_b

    Mike_b Well-Known Member Full Member

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    What do y'all think about a young Manny Pacquiao vs a 140 Micky ward or a Arturo (r.i.p.) Gatti?
     
  6. Rollin

    Rollin Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's not specific enough, really. Dependings on the technical, tactical, physical, mental, and other attributes, it can go either way. You could probably make a case for sluggers being somehow favored over swarmers, but it's not a given either. Best to consider individual cases.
     
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  7. AngryBirds

    AngryBirds Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    He's jumping up and down to get the roids flowing smoothly through his system.

    I think they're about 50-50. Pressure guys don't focus much on defense or movement and tend to be vulnerable to those who can move to poke holes in their game for whats usually a points win, but the movers usually lack real firepower to ward off pressure fighters who can often KO them so they try to never get caught up close.

    Canelo is, I think, the best example in the modern era for how pressure fighters compare with movers because he's fought so many movers. Win or lose, he's been doing since at the elite level since he fought Floyd all the way up to Charlo.
     
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  8. Mike_b

    Mike_b Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Flippin great response (!)
     
  9. Shay Sonya

    Shay Sonya The REAL Wonder Woman! Full Member

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    The overall quality of the fighters is the most important part of any match up. With that understood, then, if all other factors are close to equal, the swarmer has the edge against the outside boxer.
     
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  10. Mike_b

    Mike_b Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It's ironic: I'm watching big o fres Oquendo vs David tuaman Tua. Fres was winning every single round till Tua clipped him with a great eraser in the last final round. He was down by points in every scorecard until the stoppage! (Note: even Tuas corner felt they couldn't win a fight by desicion; it had to be a knock out).
     
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  11. Shay Sonya

    Shay Sonya The REAL Wonder Woman! Full Member

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    Tua was a dangerous fighter for anybody to fight. He was a beast in there!
     
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  12. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think Fres is still waiting for that forever-postponed mandated by court title shot, right?
     
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  13. janitor

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    All being equal, the pressure fighter usually overperforms in this fight, but all is usually not equal.
     
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