The problem with the DQ

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Jack, Mar 28, 2010.


  1. Cobbler

    Cobbler Shoemaker To The Stars Full Member

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    No point reading past here. Europe isn't a country. Even if it was, Armenia isn't in it. Even if we call Abraham German, why do you think someone in the UK or France or Italy is automatically emotionally attached to a German over an American?
     
  2. lewishamboy

    lewishamboy Styles Impetuous Full Member

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    :deal


    Another reason why this should be the case is because there's no way to truly tell how much an illegal punch has hurt a boxer. Some fighters will act macho and pretend it didn't hurt as much as it did. Others will overplay it and make the most of it. This is human nature and the difference between characters.

    In Dirrell I think we have seen an example of someone hamming it up. That is not to say the punch didn't land. That is not to say the punch didn't hurt. And it is not to say that AA didn't deserve the DQ (something a lot of idiots on here don't seem to understand). Dirrell had taken much harder punches throughout the earlier rounds.
     
  3. lewishamboy

    lewishamboy Styles Impetuous Full Member

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    wow....the ignorance!!! :patsch:patsch

    Like, America is one country isn't it :nut

    For your information, the Brits in general would sooner root for USA than Germany/Italy!!!
     
  4. MrMagic

    MrMagic Loyal Member Full Member

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    I have no problem with the DQ.

    I can see why people want a NC, Tyson got a NC from a punch after the bell.
    After having watched the punch over and over again, I don't know that it was intentionally evil, but just in the heat of the moment.

    Dirrell earned his 2 points and Abraham needs to come out with an apology, even if it was unintentional, it was still a foul.

    Any news on Dirrell, hopefully hes okay.
     
  5. Seven Chance

    Seven Chance Augustus Style Journeyman Full Member

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    Dirrell recieved a major concussion from that blow there is no way the fight should have gone on
     
  6. CASH_718

    CASH_718 "You ****ed Healy?" Full Member

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    Ok so what woud the result have been if Abraham was winning?? KO for Abraham?? Do you even understand what you're saying?
     
  7. thekid

    thekid SEC Full Member

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    Really?
     
  8. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I see what you're saying, but to me, the effect of the illegal action isn't important. If a guy gets headbutted, it deserves the same punishment whether he has a small bump or a huge cut. I think you're getting into a risky territory if you start judging these things because if the result, because then the referee isn't adhering to the rules, but is following his own personal judgment, which is where these unfair decisions come in.
     
  9. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If Abraham was winning a point deduction and the judges scores being tallied would be fair.

    Do you think if Abraham was pitching a shutout the DQ would have been fair?
     
  10. Genaro G

    Genaro G Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    so why didnt barrera get disqualified @ 3:55?

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Gi55n0a4kk[/ame]

    maybe Marquez should take some acting lessons from Dirrell haha
     
  11. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Because we fought against the Americans in two major wars, we don't have a common history, we don't have a great relationship and we don't share the same culture. That's why we choose those adorable German-based Armenians over those nasty Americans!
     
  12. Jack

    Jack Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He actually didn't, which is interesting.

    The result of the "knockout" was a long period without conciousness, which is a concussion, right? The medical reports say he didn't have a concussion, which makes me question what was keeping him down on the floor and then obscuring his judgement.
     
  13. lewishamboy

    lewishamboy Styles Impetuous Full Member

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    With the number of people calling Fake, i think its safe to say there was some degree of dramatization on Dirrell's part. How much is open to debate in my eyes, but the fact that he put it on is irrefutable now, we know he was not in hospital overnight, and not concussed....The way he was blinking had me thinking of Benn-McLellan all over again..
     
  14. CASH_718

    CASH_718 "You ****ed Healy?" Full Member

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    Yes it's his fault for hitting his opponent while they were down.

    Why should Abraham be rewarded for fouling his opponent??? Just because you're winning a fight you cant be DQ'd??? The problem is you think what happened in the fight should make a difference.
     
  15. war4years

    war4years Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think that was the proper ruling. I believe you usually get 5 minutes to recover from a foul before continuing, but i don't think dirrel was ready in 5 minutes. also, he was literally unconsious. it would not be safe to ask a boxer to fight 5 minutes after he got knocked out. the doctors were suspecting he had bleeding on his brain & sent him to the hospital to verify he was ok. that turned out not to be the case, but any referee who tried to let that fight go on would be totally out of line & probably looking for a new job on Monday.