the pull back

Discussion in 'Boxing Training' started by shs101, Feb 9, 2013.


  1. shs101

    shs101 New Member Full Member

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    As a southpaw im looking for new defense tactics to add. And the pull back aka lean back whatever you want to call it is catching my eyes.

    To a lot of people its more of a fancy/risky manuever but In my experience if you know what youre doing you can have a lot of success with it.

    As a southpaw I read the pull back is actually MORE effective because of the distance of the rear hand and ineffectiveness of the lead. 1st question is on that just want to see other views on that statement?

    2nd question is just proceeding the pull back and would like any tips/advice for trying this. Pros-cons

    Thanks in advance
     
  2. 123ko

    123ko Active Member Full Member

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    you only lean back when boxing on the back foot (outside boxer) its mostly used for a defensive counter move
    if your opponent jabs allot its easier to predict when the jab is going to be thrown then lean back with the jab & counter with a quick snappy straight left ,,making sure you only lean back about the width of your boxing boot

    don't move the feet your front leg straightens ,back leg bends
    then push of back foot ,,back to stance try not to lean forward you may lean onto a punch

    you can also use it as a faint move ,,if your against a pressure boxer you can make him think you have stepped back away from him but you haven't you've just lent back ,,thats when he pressures forward ,thats when you release the straight left
     
  3. boxbible

    boxbible Active Member Full Member

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    Ask any old school trainer and he'll tell you that leaning back is the best way to get KTFO!

    Besides, your counter won't be nearly as hard or fast compared to plain slipping and sliding to the side with a bit of roll.
     
  4. r1p00pk

    r1p00pk Well-Known Member Full Member

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  5. StillWill

    StillWill Dr. Eisenfaust Full Member

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    Que? The pull counter IS an old school move..
     
  6. bballchump11

    bballchump11 2011 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    they probably mean leaning back the whole fight. I don't like it myself, but it's not as bad if you momentarily lean back.
    I've been practicing on a move where I'll do a quick pullback and will then slip to other side if my opponent follows up with more punches
     
  7. manex

    manex Active Member Full Member

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  8. boxbible

    boxbible Active Member Full Member

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    Name me any great fighter that used the pull back counter.

    Ali is the only one that comes to mind. But he didn't use it anymore after slowing down a bit. And if it wasn't for his amazing chin, he probably would've been KTFO several times during his career.

    There are many very good fighters who occasionally use it, but the ones that use it as a primary defensive counter move eventually get flattened. Zab Judah, Michael Nunn, Hearns, Benitez, Herol Graham, Naseem Hamed, etc...

    Actually, Antonio Cervantes used it successfully, but against mainly limited comp. I'm sure Duran would have timed it and made him lean all the way back to the canvas.

    Now, if you're talking about the fade away a la Floyd Mayweather, that's different. That involves a half step back and slight head movement to the side. It's not leaning back.
     
  9. captain hook

    captain hook Well-Known Member Full Member

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    klitschko
     
  10. boxbible

    boxbible Active Member Full Member

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    He doesn't counter off the pull back. And he's lucky he ain't fighting Joe Frazier or Foreman. They would've definitely made him pay for it.
     
  11. RichC

    RichC Member Full Member

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    When I teach this, I tell the lads to imagine a piece of string tied connecting their chin and rear foot. If the string was really there, as the boxer steps back with the rear foot, his chin would be pulled down with the string.

    Basically as you step back, drop the chin (and hips).

    Also, if facing an orthodox opponent, instead of stepping straight back with the rear foot, step slightly to your left - this will put you slightly further away from your opponents left hand (his next shot). This gives you a bit more time land your backhand (before his left comes) as well as giving you a better angle to follow up (his feet will be squared up).

    Hope this makes sense?
     
  12. scrap

    scrap Boxing Addict Full Member

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    correct :D
     
  13. Johnstown

    Johnstown Boxing Addict banned

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    Toney, walcott..and mayweather does do a straight up pull back counter as well.
     
  14. boxbible

    boxbible Active Member Full Member

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    Occasionally... but it's dangerous. And I don't think they've ever KO'd anyone with it. You can't generate as much power.

    Slipping to the side onto the weight of the foot will load the punch far better.
     
  15. boxbible

    boxbible Active Member Full Member

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    Exactly... it's not a lean back.