The Punch Stats debate

nah, compubox is ****. just a couple ****s pressing a button whenever they think something landed, it's not trustworthy at all, very prone to error and corruption and fake results, i always dismiss any compubox stats, they're useless and they're always wrong anyway.

 

People only hold on to it when it fits their agenda

 

The silly thing is that anything that is not a jab is recorded as a "power punch" whether there's any power or not.

 

I think punch stats are useful in circumstances when both fighters have pretty even power and no one was really visibly hurt in that round.

 

Super important. Numbers don't lie usually. I use them often and to form predictions.

 

I think punch stat is can help to suggest the activity of a match and punching strategy of the fighter if it is not televised. For example, punch stat would have been interesting for some of the legendary old fights. Also counting the number of jabs and body shots landed seems interesting when comparing numbers with the other fighter or to himself. So if a fighter normally lands 7 jabs per round but only land 4 in this match could explain the reason he is behind, etc.

 

Occasions where it is useful but sometimes misleading. Also 'fans' use it because that's the only thing they have in their favour, that is what puts proper fans off of the punch stats but the 'fans' are hypocritical when using the stats as they use the stats when it suits them or use bits of the stats to make it look better for their favoured fighter.

 

Not too keen on them myself.

A lot of people use them to suit their agenda. For example, troll poster ellerbe, he was talking about Dirrell v Froch and how Dirrell won because the punch stats showed he outlanded Froch (which of course, he probably made up because I don't think punch stats for that fight exist) but on the same page he also said Hopkins clearly beat Calzaghe. :nono Not according to punch stats. Pwning himself and identifying the real reason- the fighter with the same skin colour as him lost.

They can be used to back up an argument, but you shouldn't base it on that.

 

They're just for fun, I think most of the time the punch stats and how the fight went is correlational, but not always, especially if the fight is close. Punch stats alone don't give you the full picture.

 

Do the judges use them?

 

well, this is why they have 'power punches' and jabs.. presumably 'power punches' are doing more damage.

There is a high correlation between higher punch stats and the winner so it is important data. having said this, i agree, it's not the full story.

The question is what are judges thinking?

1. is this a fight and what matters is who is hurting the other more
2. it's not really a fight, it's more of a skills exhibition - who lands more and shows more speed, skills, defense. Who's doing the most damage is irrelevant unless there is a stoppage


I think that there should be many 10-10 rounds. Can judges score rounds 10-10? i've never seen one but the business of having to give a round to one opponent because a draw isn't satisfying, is absolute BS. If two figurers barely do anything or if it's too close to call - score it 10-10, end of story.

Also, judges have to put more weight on the fighter pressing the action because if you had two defensive wizards dancing for 12 rounds, there wouldn't be a fight. Judges need to understand that the fighter pressing is taking the most risks and making the fight.

 

Numbers don't tell the whole story.