The Quality of Marciano's Opponents

Tyson was 22 pounds lighter than Ruddock in the rematch.
Every example was fine. Ur just unreasonable when you’d like to be.
Maybe u can’t read but I’m not arguing the defense. I’ve explained it to u like ur 12 and u still don’t get it. It’s not even difficult to understand just get by ur own biases. Now please don’t bring it up and just reference previous arguments. There is zero left to say. I also never referred to him as “a wizard” only that he was good defensively and much more difficult to hit then most. He wasn’t a slickster

 

22 lbs and 30 lbs are two very different numbers. It's not my fault if you can't read. Tyson was also clearly the better boxer than Ruddock who was a 1-armed bandit loading up for one big shot and had leaky defense. Rocky won't have that luxury against skilled big men such as Bowe or Lewis.

You didn't say defensive wizard, but since you want to play word games I'll quote you directly.

If you say a boxer is "extremely" skilled at something, you're basically saying they're one of the best of all time when it comes to that thing, no way around it. If you claim he was extremely skilled defensively, you're claiming he was a defensive wizard.

You also back pedaled when I laughed at the idea James Braddock and Harry Mathews fought anything like Roy Jones and claimed you were talking about "style" similarities as if that's any better.

Stop playing games and running in circles for once. Be honest and own your ridiculous arguments.

 

Have I ever said differently?
Btw. The best big men of the pre 60's were not very big apart from the few exceptions such as
Jess Willard , Buddy Baer,Primo Carnera,Ray Impelletierre.
And no ,they weren't anything special.
I'd pick AJ to beat them.
Marciano's era did not have any quality big men as we know the term today,Baker and Valdes being the biggest and best.
The fact that I would pick Rocky to beat both does not alter the fact that he was never tested against a big prime top ranker and anyone making the argument ,that,"well they were beaten by men he beat," ignores the fact that A beating B is no indication that he would also beat C because B beat him.
To try and explain my position further which seems to have been willfully misinterpreted by some ,in their haste to defend their idol,may I say I'd give Dempsey a much better chances of beating big guys than Rocky,and not just because he DID beat big ranked contenders,but because he was very quick afoot ,into range and with his punches,he was also more elusive than Rocky and with a longer reach and a quicker starter.
I hope this doesn't make me seem more arrogant than usual, but that's not for me to judge.others will be only too happy to do that for me.

 

"I'm not kidding myself I'm any kind of fancy dan,I know what I look like in there".
Marciano.Talking about a come back to fight Johansson in Boxing Illustrated.

 

"I'm asked to rank Cassius Clay in my top ten, I can't ." Fleischer

 

Satterfield and Johnson were lhvys .Baker had been ko'd in the gym 3 days previously by Cleve Williams and he was stopped groggy with bad cuts.
Cestac was stopped between rounds on the advice of the ring Doctor,he had previously gone the distance with Moore.
The Bivins stoppage is a good win.
Since you have dramatically diluted your original statement.

"To say he’s not an elite puncher is an absolute joke and insult to the sport."
To," Moore wasn't feather fisted."
I take it you are now in agreement with me that Moore was NOT and elite puncher at heavyweight.

 

Two fighters can share the same style and be miles apart. This shouldn’t have to be stated. This is an obvious thing…no offense but I’m questioning ur intelligence at this point and I really don’t want to be mean.

 

Doesn’t matter they had quality careers at HW and Archie knocked em out. The other names still hold too. He had amazing power at LHW and good power at HW. I’m sure u can agree w that.

 

No really they can't.Jones' style bears no resemblance to Braddock's straight up plodding orthodox approach.Ruddock had a good jab and could box ,but fell in love with his left hand power early in his career and became a one handed slugger,which is why Floyd Patterson washed his hands of training him and gave up on the deal.
Prove us wrong, point out the similarities between them?

 

Johnson and Satterfield were inside the lhvy limit when Moore ko'd them,Baker and Cestac were stopped in their corners.It would be nice if you could just admit Moore was not an amazing elite heavyweight puncher,and that he only ko'd ONE ranking heavyweight and that one, Lavorante really should not have been ranked,as subsequent events sadly proved.

 

What r u talking about. He stopped Baker, Bivins, and others. Both those men were ranked either the year before and both were ranked after. Obsession over exact time is ridiculous. If ur arguing Archie Moore couldn’t punch I’ll just say u need to reevaluate what u think u know of the sport.
As far as similar styles Jones and Matthews shared the same damn style. I have seen some of Braddock and I’d say he’s similar but I’m no James expert so unless I watch more i won’t argue the point. And yes two fighters can share the same style and be miles apart…Patterson and Tyson both share the same style but r nowhere near the same in ability. Ali and Pastrano share the same style but shouldn’t be confused w each other. Do u also not understand this simple concept as well?

 

They were NOT RANKED when Moore beat them.

YOU NEED TO TAKE READING COMPREHENSION LESSONS!

I've told you 3 times Moore was not an elite heavyweight puncher and3 times you have replied," your'e saying Moore was not a puncher or words similar.WTF is wrong with you?

Braddock and Ruddock fought nothing like Jones!

You make these ludicrous statements and then blame us, implying we are too dumb to see the similarities!
Your arguments are absurd!

 

Nobody said Braddock fought like Ruddock. He doesn’t. And if u don’t think Moore was an elite puncher at any weight u don’t know **** about boxing. Ur obsession w when they were ranked as if that matters is absurd.

 

You really can't question anyone's intelligence when you think Roy Jones and Braddock/Mathews have the same style. I challenge you to find even 4 people who will agree with you.

 

Saddler turn's Pep face black and blue and had one of his eyes completely close.