The Quality of Marciano's Opponents

I hope no one gets upset with me,

but there is a film of the second Louis-Agramonte fight on you tube under

"Joe Louis FULL fight Omelio Agramonte"

Louis knocks down Agramonte shortly after the 13:20 mark with a right hand. This knockdown is in the second round.

 

Nobody has cause to get upset when someone adds to their knowledge,thank you.
ps Knocking down Agramonte at that stage of his career was hardly a feat.

 

Source? The actual film!! Louis decks Agramante with a right hand he supposedly didn’t have anymore…

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Maybe you should watch these fights before passing judgement! You clearly have more faith in in borrowed lines of thought than you do in your own eyes!

 

A few next day observations...

James Fowler reporting next day from Miami..
"The 36 year old Brown Bomber, lacking the punch that earned him the world's championship, failed to stop the elusive Cuban."

Bill Corum reporting next from Miami...
"Louis Merely Shadow of Old. Bomber Decisions Cuban But Has Lost Top Punch
The old star gave 'em just a touch of drama, a faint echo of what had been... What they expected was that this perfectly trained and sharp-honed Louis of 209 pounds would knock Omelio out.
He can't however punch that way any more... His right hand again last night was a far cry from the weapon it once had been. And even his hook, which he used sparingly, was neither too sharp nor too damaging.
This may be a strictly crackpot idea, but I begin to wonder a little about Joe's eyes. Chances are there is nothing wrong with em and that it is only his reflexes that make it look as though he doesn't see his openings.
The better guess is that he sees em and simply can't act on what his brain tells him to do."

UP next day report..
"Agramonte was on the canvas once- but he wasn't put there by Louis. He slipped, and rested on one knee for a two-count.
The Brown Bomber opened cuts under both of Agramonte's eyes and pushed him all over the ring. But that legendary knockout punch never showed... Louis blamed his failure to score a knockout on his timing."

 

Agramonte def didn’t slip. Was a legit knock down. Don’t know what the argument is about. No one thinks it was the same Louis of old. More like the Holmes of the Tyson fight imo. Enough juice to be a good win but not enough to brag about

 

Nowhere near the Holmes of the Tyson fight, who still could sharp shoot, had timing and would put up a good challenge 4 years later, and then again when he almost got his strap back 7 years later.

 

That Holmes was rusty as hell being inactive for a long time and was out of shape. Would u care to compare their records the previous two years to meeting their opponents?
Holmes hadn’t won a fight in three years…but we r supposed to believe the Joe Louis who won 8 in a row couldn’t have been as good as that guy…cmon

 

Yes, it's called being KO'd when you cant rise in time

 

Are you crazy? Larry had not had a fight in 2years, last seen losing to Michael Spinks, had not beat a heavyweight since Carl Williams. No longer a champion. No longer a contender. No longer a boxer. He was retired. Holmes is 0-2 in his last 2. whereas top contender Joe Louis had fought 9 times winning against contenders within a year! Whatever more you think Larry had left, he had nothing to show, so ill prepared because he was not winning fights and was dug up out of a retirement. Unrated. Simply in no position to do himself justice. Joe Louis, by comparison, was a genuine contender. He was the favourite against Marciano.

 

I could rate my dog if I gave the right people the right money. The bottom-line is that Larry still had his tools, all his arsenal and more importantly his timing. Old Joe did not have either. He was stumbling, poorly balanced fighter with a decent jab and that was about it. That's the bottom line. And please don't tell me about Larry losing the second fight to Mike Spinks.

 

They were not in evidence against Tyson. Holmes was out of practice. Larry was smothering, in survival mode until round 3 in the hope Tyson would have slowed enough for Larry to attempt taking part. The second Holmes engaged in the fight it was over!

no evidence of this at all.

This is a comparison to Louis championship years. And yes. He was no longer that guy.

Instead comeback Louis was still a reasonable contender in his own right. We have evidence comeback Louis was still capable on film of his comeback fights. Marciano still mauled this proven contender. Louis was more in that fight than Larry was in his fight with Tyson.

 

Louis was only off balance because Marciano threw him off balance by crowding and leaning on him. Marciano doesn’t get enough credit for this tactic. He constantly moved his opponent so they couldn’t plant their feet. For Louis that was a big problem because he constantly planted his feet more than most conventional boxers. That took the zip out of his opponents shots. That being said Louis was not the same fighter he was five years prior but he was just as good as that Holmes. Watch his previous fights and he looks just fine. Rocky had a way of throwing opponents off having them throw awkward punches at strange angles.

 

Rocky is GOAT light heavyweight/heavweight

 

Looks like you responded to the wrong person Gazelle.

 

totally agree.

I wish more people would watch the comeback fights instead of just accepting what was written about Louis’s sad decline…which in reality was a decent comeback.