The quitters

I don't think there is anything wrong in quitting if u know u are risking serious injury or are already suffering an injury that has happened during the fight.

There are too many cases of boxers being too brave for their own good.

 

He had 3 1/2 years of dominance that far outshines what Dempsey or Marciano or Liston ever did. He was a midget in the heavyweight division who relied on speed, balance and timing, a combination that will never make for a long career. But what he did with that in the time he was at the top was amazing. Tyson is underrated.

 

Quitters usually quit because they can’t control their emotions.

 

Yeah but Internet tough guys will tell you how tough they are and how they would never quit LOL. Of course 99% have never fought either LOL.

 

I didn’t say he couldn’t fight (he clearly could) but he still was a quitter. When things were going his way he was brilliant. When the going got tough he folded. Liston had that quit in him too. Marciano most definitely did not.

 

Post prison Mike was a washed up drug addict who didn't even care about boxing. Marciano never "quit" because he never faced anyone good enough and never had the NOI sitting ringside.

 

Marciano climbed off the floor to win and fought with half his nose hanging off and again won. He could have turned it up in any number of fights he was getting a battering in but never once looked like doing so. Contrast Marciano who was cut in nearly every fight he had with Tyson. Tyson went to water every time he was cut and I remember his effeminate “ow ow ow” when his corner was treating his cut in the first Holyfield fight (from memory).

The NOI and Tyson’s loss of passion for boxing are again excuses to justify their quit jobs. Liston and Tyson both were fine when things were going their way but were very different when things started going badly. They simply lacked the fire and wherewithal to hang in there and gut it out. Sure they could endure and win tough fights (Cleveland Williams 1 and Razor Ruddock for example) but they were both well on top for the vast majority of these fights. A different story when Ali is boxing your ears off or when Leotis Martin busts your nose (you could actually see Liston’s demeanour change after that, he looked panicked) or when Evander Holyfield is roughing you up or Lennox Lewis is battering you. They both basically folded and either quit or marked time until they were KO’d without offering any resistance. Ali, Frazier and Marciano et al were cut from a different cloth.

 

The fact that a washed-up lightheavy, another bonarfide lightheavy and a geriatric with no legs hurt Marciano so badly just makes my argument. Put Marciano in there with a Tokyo Douglas, a Razor Ruddock, Tony Tucker, Greg Page, Tony Tubbs, Tony Tucker, etc... he gets humiliated.

 

And? You can’t prove it and it’s despite the point anyway. They might all beat Marciano like you say but I bet he wouldn’t quit against any of them.

Tyson quit several times and against the caliber of Danny Williams and Kevin McBride. It got tough, he didn’t think he could win só he quit. He wasn’t a warrior. He was a front runner. Marciano was a warrior (and this thread is about quitters which is something Marciano never did só his shortcomings as a fighter are irrelevant to this discussion).

 

I could understand Tyson against Danny Williams he did tear out his knee and had to have surgery, however against McBride he was truly pathetic. Very pitiful end to his career.

 

If you quit, you quit. Regardless if it sounds harsh or whatever. It is what it is. Truth hurts.

 

Tony Ayala against Campas
Cotto against Margarito

 

This content is protected

 

I never understood the notion that Tyson was a complete loser. In real life, he took terrible punishment from Holyfield and Lewis, attacking them both until the very end and being knocked out standing. While being beaten terribly by Douglas, he tried to get up, even though it was pointless. He was dazed against Tucker, Bruno, and Ruddock, but he didn't give up. In the Williams fight, he took a dozen clean blows to the head towards the end and landed his own blow, trying to turn the tide, only to take a dozen more blows to the head. He never stayed down. Against McBride, he had absolutely no strength, energy, motivation, or form whatsoever. Against Holyfield, he was a complete lunatic, as confirmed by the medical board. Kind of like McCall in the rematch with Lewis. The doctor who examined his knee after Williams said he was shocked that Tyson continued the fight after the first round. In my opinion, Tyson doesn't belong in this group, but there's no boxer more hated because, in his time, being an arrogant son of a *****, he made more enemies among the public than anyone else.