The REAL and Legit "Murderers Row"

I get a bit tired of hearing how "great" the "Murderers Row" is, I agree there was some serious talent there but only the best 3 of them I rate, the others are just good. So here I will name the group I regard as the REAL Murderers Row and I am sure no one will dispute my group as superior and greater and MORE DANGEROUS. Presuming this has to be about race but here goes.

Peter Jackson
Sam Langford
Jack Johnson
Sam McVey
Joe Jeanette
Harry Wills
Joe Walcott
Joe Gans
Young Peter Jackson
George Dixon

Any arguments about this ? anyone like this ?

 

Some fair and good points there mate, I don't doubt the murderers row were good, even great in the case of Burley (but no more than say, Billy Graham) but I do think they feature too high above some more worthy fighters

 

Even without them this is a great bunch of fighters.

 

Les Darcy for one, but don't include Moore he was a world champ but i would rate Darcy above him at MW. I would also rate Tommy Ryan above them. there's two I also think both of them beat those guys head to head also they are more legendary than they are. Bivins is good but not in Burley or Williams class, Marshall I need to look into.

 

Just looked into Marshall and seriously he isn't top 25 material, his losses arebad, some real average guys beat him, Bobe Olsen was not as good as Sands yet he beats Marshall ? Mate the guy has been KO'd ELEVEN TIMES Darcy wasn't even dropped to the canvas his entire career, a Ko loss or three can be forgivable but 11 ?......... He lost fights to Olsen, ****ell, Matthews, an unknown called Conny Rux and KO'd, Grant Butcher ???? Butcher was a complete novice, Roy taylor, Oakland Billy Smith, Shorty Hogue, Ceferino Garcia, Johnny Romero.

He lost to some big names like Moore and Charles, lost to Chase , Booker, Williams, Yarosz, to lose to them is understandable but to be great MUST beat the majority of them, yes he won a few against good names but how do you explain his losses without making bad excuses and looking like a fanboy... I am not having a go at you, for all I know you may have not closely checked his record, it is far worse than Zale's btw. I am very sorry, he was a tough, brave guy but I can't even put him in my top 40 MW's.... period, Marshall is not Hall of Fame material nor an ATG nor a legend.

 

I have to off the top of my head put all these guys ahead of Lloyd Marshall.

Tommy Ryan, SRR, Burley, Darcy, Williams, Moore, Ron Richards, Dave Sands, Eddie McGoorty, Jeff Smith, Ezzard Charles, Stanley Ketchell, Hagler, Hearns, SRL, Greb, Walker, Golovkin, RJJr, Hopkins, Monzon, Basilio, Olsen, Pender, Fullmer, Nonpareil, Fitzsimmons, hell Tony Mundine sr is better, Garcia, Klaus, Papke, hell anyone who ever held a MW title really and then some.

 

Oh yeah sorry mr Mike Gibbons you would surely beat Marshall to death. I reckon Dillon and Tommy Gibbons would too.

 

Now seeing as I have pointed out all the bad about Marshall it is only fair now that I point out the positives, lloyd as I said was brave, big cahunas etc. Here he is beating Freddie Mills https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-PtbswvJbs here we can see that Marshall has plenty of power and is a great attacker. I love this fight, it is a fight to a knockout, either way this fight ain't going the distance. Lloyd has speed as well so looking at this I wonder why he loses so many fights and the answer is obvious, his defence is sadly not great, Mills although getting knocked down a few times and KO'd he does rock Marshall with some big shots of his own, simply put, Mills gets too many shots in and it is only the fact that Marshall gets in more big shots..... the first one is a absolutely beautiful left hook,,,, yes this guy is certainly a good fighter, maybe he should have retired a couple of years earlier, he is one of the dangerous fighters in his time which quite frankly is all that most mere mortals can expect, to be a great however needs more, need to be a top three or four guy in your prime, I don't think he is that but oh boy, you better think hard before taking him on, he has some big power, some speed and a great left hook and that makes for trouble. I believe that if he had a great defense then his record would be far better, then I couldn't imagine Olsen or Cokkell ever getting near the guy.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-PtbswvJbs

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXDitbm6CRA

Great KO but he almost went down just before it so he decides to end this guy and you can see the crowd is not quite happy but Lloyd shows his great class as a man when he assists his victim to the corner and I can see that Lloyd is quite concerned, a nice guy for sure.