The real answer is that we will never know.

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by LukeO, Dec 31, 2009.


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  1. LukeO

    LukeO Erik Morales is God Full Member

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    We will never know if Manny would have agreed to the random drug testings, because Mayweather tainted them with steroid accusations.
    They ruined this whole thing by accusing him of being a cheater before they got the evidence.
    We will never know if Floyd sincerely wanted better testing for the fight, we will never know if Manny would have been willing to undergo USADA testing.
    We will never know how this would have played out under legit circumstances, because Mayweathers/schaefer/oscar tarnished the whole drug test thing by jumping the gun and shooting out the steroid accusation before they had proof.

    That is why everyone hates Floyd right now, because he tainted his idea for a better drug test by insinuating he was about to face a cheater, and wanted to catch him in the act.
    It is impossible to know what Floyd was thinking, because he lies to the audience so much, we don't know what to believe from him anymore.
    Does it suck that Manny has principles, and stands by them? Yeah, we all wish he would cave so we can see the fight, but do we really need to throw him on the stake for defending his reputation and character against an obvious assault?

    We now know where promotions for a fight can cross the line, as soon as you call your opponent a cheater and try to ruin his career. Even the biggest fight can come crashing down, if the guy has too much pride.

    Place the blame where you want, and throw stones if you will, but I refuse to treat Manny any differently for being offended by being called a cheater. He busts his ass to entertain the fans, and I have no reason to judge his personal character when he has given so much to the sport.

    Floyd probably would have won too... this is all a shame.
     
    LukeO, Dec 31, 2009
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  2. Danny_Rand

    Danny_Rand Slick N Quick Full Member

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    You're an imbecile.
     
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  3. LukeO

    LukeO Erik Morales is God Full Member

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    Based on?
    I love these 1 line insults, but you need to say more than that to make me flinch.
     
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  4. Jeff Young

    Jeff Young Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Once again i'm pretty non-biased, but on paper....mayweather should win against pacquiao, at this time in history.....I've tryed hard to see this both sides, and at the end of the day, and down the road pacquiao will get the criticism...Imo he has overestimated how much pull he actually has....and his lawsuit continues to show this....

    Do I think Manny is clean? Absolutely....Do I think his ego has become to big? Yes....and I would have loved Mayweather to bring him back to earth....

    Like you said, if this fight doesn't happen we will never know....I still think if mayweather runs the table with QUALITY opponents, history will look more favorable to him, and not manny pacquiao.....Why does he not want to clear his name? It's not just the Mayweather's it's others in the boxing community...
     
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  5. LukeO

    LukeO Erik Morales is God Full Member

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    I think it went in this order.
    Steroid accusations.
    Drug tests request.

    Not the other way around.
     
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  6. LukeO

    LukeO Erik Morales is God Full Member

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    Yeah, I see why people can contrue pacquiao as just ducking a blood test, but he's not, he's willing to take blood tests. He has said whatever the NSAC want to do, he will do. If they wanted this fight to be made and everything to go on, they would have done that from the beginning.
    Everyone on this board is now an official doctor of sports medicine.
    They are all master psychologists.
    Everyone here just says "manny has to do this, because there is money"

    Well if you think about it, he has an election coming up, what is the worst thing to have done to you right before an election?
    A smear campaign from someone he is not even running against.
     
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  7. Jeff Young

    Jeff Young Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    All sides deserves blame....I think both sides have conducted themselves in a disgraceful manner....Mayweather did move the goal-post, and made this demand that was ridiculous from the get-go....

    However, Manny Pacquiao is one of the most celebrated fighters in history, if not of all time.....if he was confident he would have sucked-up his pride took the blood test, and fought floyd mayweather....

    The March 13th date was always a joke, even before this fiasco, I was skeptical this fight would go off at that date....I had no idea it would blow up to what it has become.....The March 13th date was form the pacquiao camp because of his political campaign.....Once again he has overstepped, he failed the first time he ran for congress, his movie has bombed, and his affairs have become public matter....All sides deserve blame, but imo pacquiao has bit off more then he can chew....but that's just me...
     
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  8. Ben_UK

    Ben_UK Member Full Member

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    The real answer is that PAcs legacy is gone
     
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  9. luciuslim

    luciuslim Well-Known Member Full Member

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    not gone, but theres definetly going to be a few more question marks added to the book of Manny "Pac Man" pacquiao
     
    luciuslim, Dec 31, 2009
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  10. Jacory Harris

    Jacory Harris I'm a gorilla I'm a dawg! Full Member

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    stop your goddamn whining already. The fight isn't happening. boo ****ing hoo. move on already!
     
    Jacory Harris, Dec 31, 2009
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  11. thekid

    thekid SEC Full Member

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    Lucas, why are you still up, i thought i put you to bed two hours ago. manny messed this up not floyd. get some sleep i'm taking you to the zoo tommorow, were going to see james tony and his primate friends.
     
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  12. Totomabs

    Totomabs Sauna Belt Holder Full Member

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    :deal
     
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  13. theHawtness

    theHawtness Active Member Full Member

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    floyd has cheated us fans once again. :verysad
     
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  14. EricGN

    EricGN Active Member Full Member

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    why does many people in esb are posting on the forum with emotions rather than rational conversation? It won't do ****.
     
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  15. Atlanta

    Atlanta Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Hey look its Manny Pacquiao's nuthugger, your mouth still sore from the 13 hour blowjob you gave him a few days ago?
     
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