the REAL atgs.

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  1. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You two should get a room. :hey
     
  2. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Based on the names listed, you would probably have to add:

    John L Sullivan
    Peter Jackson
    Jim Corbett
    Bob Fitzsimmons
    Sam Langford
    Max Schmeling

    Then the issue of the Klitschko brothers would have to be looked at when they retire.

    So it is not easy to keep your list short.
     
  3. Wiirdo

    Wiirdo Boxing Addict banned

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    Just whoever I feel has done enough, really. Not very formal about these things.
     
  4. essexboy

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    Precisely my point when I say its deceptively hard to keep a list short. Fitz and Langford I forgot mostly because I associate them with other divisions. Forgot John L Sullivan but hes a must. The others I would probably have borderline, I dont know enough about Peter Jackson.
     
  5. dezbeast

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    I don't even bother to ask anyone else who are the greats or greatests anymore. Because I find that the biggest factor is almost always how popular the fighter is or was or both, whether people want to admit it or not. Then it gets to the point where I see guys sometimes picking their favorite fighters to easily beat the best H2H fighters of the last decade even in a time machine. That is too far from reality for my taste.
     
  6. Flea Man

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    What are you saying? That fighters from the past ten years are better than any other?
     
  7. dezbeast

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    Not any other. There are exceptions. But think about this. Try matching someone like Jersey Joe Walcott, a chain smoking sub 200 pounder, who is considered a great, against someone like a prime Vitaly, who is considered not great by many. If they both were at their same peak form at their eras, which of course would be a huge disadvantage for Walcott, would you honestly be comfortable putting your money on Walcott? Do the math.
     
  8. Flea Man

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    That's one example. Carlos Monzon smoked. Would Pavlik beat him? Do the math.
     
  9. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    The ATG's at heavy are Lewis, Liston, Ali, Frazier, Louis, Jeffries, Holyfield, Wills, Dempsey, Tyson, Holmes, Johnson, Marciano, Foreman.

    So 14.
     
  10. Flea Man

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    Tunney?
     
  11. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Nope.
     
  12. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No Schmeling? :bart
     
  13. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    #15. But not a great heavyweight.
     
  14. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    My list of ten only goes back to the Louis era and with the exception of Holy and your pre-Louis entrants, is identical to yours in names, if not order.

    This means your list is pretty good.
     
  15. cuchulain

    cuchulain Loyal Member Full Member

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    I'm always amused that folks assume a newbie to ESB is a Newbie to boxing.