The real superheavyweights

Sonny Liston was the first technically gifted Super Heavyweight in my book.

Sullivan was very limited; Jeffries lacked imagination, and relied on desire; Willard was brave and strong and Carnera was a curiosity, but Liston was the first full package in his late 50s/early 60s prime.

 

I think they have. Holyfield, Tyson, and Lewis, are close to Joe Louis, and in some ways better.

By my definition of super heavies. Liston was about 210-215 pounds, which is a tad light for a super heavy. Foreman was below 220 in his first career, and wasn't a skilled boxer.

Foreman may not be "skilled" in your eyes, but he sure cut a path through

Terrell wasn't massive. He was tall and thin. He injured an eye early in the Ali fight, and was very slow with his jab. Terrell's power isn't close to Lewis, Bowe or Klitschko.

Since his chin is not grade A, and his is handicapped on height and reach in these fantasy matches, I say Louis would need to outfight a super heavy. I don't think he would be able to take many bombs from Lewis, Bowe or Klitschko. The reverse may be true as well, which is why I think " outfight " is important here.

I agree. In fact, I said the super heavies almost always beat smaller boxer types with less power, and swarmers, however their foil seems to be the biggest punchers...same as everone else. I also agree you can be short and light, but if you hit like Tyson you can beat anyone. Speaking of Tyson, I think he struggles some vs supper heavies.

Dempsey to me had great movement skills with his hands and feet. He was quick, could get angles, and had a pretty good defense when he wanted to be defensive. With a reach of 77", Demspey can out fight a bit too. He also flattened big guys with shocking ease. Louis, and Marciano sometimes took their oppoents who stood their in front of them many rounds. I think they would need a bigger adjustment.

 

years ago it was the bigger you are the harder you fall, these days with modern tecniques, and weight training, heavyweights are big and strong but I think other than Price and the guy from China, this years batch out of the olympics and povetkin are normal 6"1 size heavys...we will see in the coming years if the 6"1 guys can overcome the talented Big guys

 

Price is a super heavy who can't take a punch. Zhang is poor man's Valuev, a bit smaller, even slower and with less skills. Both were lucky to medal. Cammarelle won gold, and he's 6'3" 230 pounds with a reach of at least 78".

I would say Cammarelle can qualify as a super heavy.

 

Carnera was certainly a monster at somewhere round 6ft 6ins or 6ft 7ins tall and around 250 to 270 lbs. However, he threw mainly arm punches and was notorious for his lack of power, particularly taking into account his size.

His early career was padded to say the least. In fact most thought his early career was full of mob influenced fixes. Later in his career when he was forced to fight on merit he was at times made to look foolish, particular by Max Baer.