The Reality of Haye's Move To Heavy

Yeah. I know all about Foster by the way, I'm comparing them directly.

Haye's punches are evidently harder at his 217 weight than at his more drained Cruiser limit or less, Haye hits really hard, his shots sound like a sledgehammer and they are delivered quickly with good timing and accuracy.

These plodders with no defence can certainly CATCH HIM and STARCH HIM(I think little of his ability to take a shot), but he's going to be landing the first full power bombs and I just don't think anyone in the division truly has a great chin anymore.

I'm excited about Haye, not hyped up, because it's going to be fun if he fails or succeeds and that division desperately NEEDS a quick, KO puncher with charisma and excitement. He also has skill for once, just a suspect chin.

 

Exactly, these guys suck ****ing ass.

If we were dealing with 90's crop HW's, I'd be laughing at anybody thinking Haye could be anything more than a Herbie Hide fun hard hitter, but the reality is that this division sucks so much that this type of guy can actually beat MOST of the ranked fighters and do so very impressively and bring entertainment.

These HW fights suck.

Wlad beats him, Valuev does also, any of the others, I'm picking Haye and will be confident about it, they're all trash.

 

Maybe Waldo, but certainly not Sam Peter. Sam Peter's neck is made for absorbing those straight right hands. He'd eat a perfect Haye punch and grin across the ring. Haye'd probably **** himself after that.

 

Peter won't put the necessary dedication in to come in a sub-245 and actually bring out speed and improvement, as it stands now, he's being rocked and dropped by Oleg's and McCline's for whatever reason made his seemingly good chin degrade fast.

Oleg's and McCline's are **** slow and just average punchers.

Now imagine a few flush rights and lefts from Haye in that same area, I doubt Peter is going to take them well and I really have tried to understand the situation regarding him taking Wlad's full power rights and smiling for 11 rounds and what we have now, as Klit at the very least is a proven puncher.

But if Peter connects, it's lights out for Haye. I just don't think he can do it, he's so ****ing slow at 250 and more that it's ridiculous.

 

Yeah sure, shots from Oleg and McCline hurting him are really inspiring for him to take multiple successive shots from Haye and smile.

What happened to his chin? Can't tell you, the beating from Klitschko must have softened it up...

 

Maskaev NEVER hurt Peter. Do like a good psuedo expert and actually watch a replay of the fight. :thumbsup

McCline did hurt Sam true. But that right hand in the third would have knocked any heavyweight down and most of them, cold. Simple fact. Sam's chin hasn't gone anywhere. They just see a point now in not being brave when the next guy you fight might be packing a harder punch than the last guy. Reps aren't everything.

 

It's equally sad when the top guy in the division can shut-out a supposed top 4 fighter with one hand, practically. Wladimir's trial by fire is a long ways away. :yep

 

I wouldn't say that. Not by a long shot. Ibragimov just played into Waldo's game. Which is if you leave Waldo alone, he's gonna box you all night.

I guarantee the next guy who presses Waldo hard will make him look fragile all over again. ESPECIALLY if the ref doesn't allow for his armlocks and ****.

 

. . . true the ability to absorb punches will be the biggest factor considering he weighs only 220 and he'll be competing with 234 lbs and above fighters. If he proves to have good chin then he can be very competitive because he has the advantage in speed.

 

People give this piece of **** division the benefit of a doubt way too much. There's nothing out there, except maybe Povetkin and now Haye. If Wlad fights Chagaev it will look no different from his fight with Ibragimov.

 

Also one other factor being overlooked here is how many guys on the cusp of 200-210lbs have tried out heavyweight instead of cruiser? You got guys like Herbie Hide, Jeremy Williams, Chris Byrd, James Toney, etc.

Haye is not the only guy in the past few decades who was or could have been a spectactular cruiser. The heavyweights have had their fare share of speedy hard punching 200lb men over the years. It's just a fact that when they ran into these monsters they needed to have an iron chin like Evander Holyfield to truly compete.

You can be the fastest guy in the world but if you can't keep your opponent off of you all night with some power he's gonna hit you sometime. And a man 6'3" 220lbs ain't running all night. It won't work.

 

You can call it a piece of **** division all you like. It's just a matter of fact that should Haye compete at heavyweight, it's very likely he goes the way of some other failed cruiser to heavy prospects. Maybe he competes and does well. But you cannot ignore the fact that the one really great cruiser who made a great heavyweight also had a great chin to weather shots. And even he was dropped at times.

 

He most definitely wouldn't be the hunter vs. Peter, he would be the hunted. Sam would connect, he is able to land shots from a distance. Sure his actual boxing and condition looks like **** compared to Haye, but Haye just had his Jeremy Williams moment...it's tempting to buy into the hype, but I'm gonna give him a minute.

Anyways, Peter did well against OLEG. If he would have been as high volume against a crafty, veteran, shot picker like OLEG...whose KO power Samuel admitted to respecting...as he was vs James "WBC Eliminator" Toney, he would have been chin checked. I'm suprised you didn't consider that perspective. During the entire KLIT fight, I didn't see Sam being KO'd as a possibility. Against OLEG however, it remained a real threat, which only seemed to be neutralized in the final moments...so much for the intangibles.

Also, Peter is always in about the same shape, and he will be next time too. I think the weight talk regarding him is out of hand. He has shown he has late round stamina, in decisioning Toney twice...and getting up three times to decision McCline.

 

Haye's chances at HW at this very moment look to be about 50/50. It's entirely possible that he will be nothing more than a glass chin waiting to be shattered, yet on the the other hand you have to consider how weak the division is right now. As far as all around athleticism goes he's heads and tails above 95 percent of them,

 

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