The Reality of Haye's Move To Heavy

Nah, I got it on my DVR.

 

Yea but you have to consider here that durability and power don't stay consistent. There is such a thing as the perfect punch and a bad night. Sam taking all of Waldo's work and shaking it off gave him the kind of false confidence that gets guys knocked cold in their next outting.

Enter Jameel McCline, a perfect example. Not known for KO power but had a string of early knockouts and knockdowns of respectable opponents. Of course, all of this is overlooked because of his flaws. Turns out he could crack Sam in one shot harder than Waldo could. And it's not even debatable now. It's just a fact. That one strength McCline had played right into Sam's false confidence. And what we got was the result.

Back in the days of Ali and Foreman and Fraizer, you had guys who respected everyone's power. Because they knew that just because a guy doesn't have a rep for being a puncher doesn't mean he can't summon a helluva whopper on your bad day. It can happen, so why take the chances? Foreman found that out too when he fought Jimmy Young.

Sam is maturing as a pro and this recent outting, one of conservative respect for Maskaev, is proof of it.

 

McCline's knockdowns of Sam Peter


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The first one was clearly McCline bodying Sam and then punching him. Which is classic McCline. This is how he gets knockouts/knockdowns.

The second was genuine and was a very hard right hand. The third Sam simply fell down..

 

My bad, it was a bit higher up the back than the kidney.

 

The second knock down is what ****ed him up.. that and the shots he's was tagging him with when action resumed, the third knockdown looked like it was mostly due to his still being dazed.

 

There were a lot of hard shots landed there when I look back at the video. If that video doesn't prove Sam has a granite chin I don't know what will. No heavyweight would have survived those kinds of punches today. Not one except maybe McCall.

And it relates back to what I posted previously. Just because a guy doesn't have rep for being a knockout artist doesn't mean he can't punch. Some guys can punch extremely hard. They just have issues finishing the job.

 

I never bought into the granite chin stuff even when Peter fought Wladimir. I thought he had a good chin.. and still do, but definitely breakable. People mostly gave Peter **** about his chin because he was getting rocked by McCline, a fighter that people were stupidly calling " feather-fisted " before the fight.. but punching power in the heavyweight division doesn't relate to punching power in the lower weights. A man of Jameel McCline's size and stature can pack a mean shot when he wants too.. it's stupid to think otherwise. Hell, how many times has Holyfield been rocked? If I remember correctly he was even rocked by Ruiz.

 

Wow your really not that smart.

 

Well I think it's definately in part, Sam's fault.

He had that confidence issue you see. And it was that confidence that got him into trouble in the first place. Unlike Brock or Byrd who also got decked by McCline, Sam wasn't thinking "OH ****!" Instead he was thinking "Damn I just lost my balance." You know, that kind of arrogance.

And that is what left him open to those monsterous shots. Even after taking that amazing right hand in the third he continues trying to punch with McCline. His own arrogance almost got him knocked cold. But I do think he has one of the best chins in the biz. It's the only thing that kept him in that McCline fight.

 

Now I remember why that fight had me trippin'. The 2nd KD, the 1st real one...f*ck, he didn't recover from that until the fourth round. Sam took some absolutely brutal shots as a result. This is why Jameel said Sam is a true champion, and didn't protest...commenting that he just couldn't finish him.
McCline's post fight demeanor was because he knew it looked as though he could have knocked Peter's head into the third row, with a few of those blows. By the way, did you see that left Peter landed on McCline between moments of getting his ass beat, that knocked McCline half way across the ring...sh*t. :scaredas:

 

Yea dude no doubt. They were winging some hard hard shots. The big difference was McCline's handspeed which is very good for his size. Like Teddy Atlas described him as a scary fighter. A guy who you really have to respect when he does something, even as sporadic as it is. The sad thing about McCline is that he gave everything he had in that third round and was done afterwards. Sam had just absorbed everything McCline could throw. Not a strategy I would advise, but that's how it played out.

I preferred his cautious approach to Maskaev much moreso.

 

Yea and I remember going berserk over that fight too. I lost my damn voice screaming at the TV. Something along the lines of "WTF ARE YOU DOING SAM! GET THOSE DAMN HANDS UP MAN!"

You know, when you are kinda blasted and think yelling at the tv somehow communicates with your fighter.

 

I agee with your last couple posts. What people are missing here is when we say Peter is still learning...we are not talking about them teaching him well in camp, now watch him go KO1 somebody.

What's going on is that he's walking away from every bout, applying what we saw him pick up in the last one. Case in point, showing respect to Maskaev...McCline taught him that. We also the jab he learned to place in the first, and the counter jab he learned to do in his last James Toney fight. He learns by fire and he applies it. This is a reality show for real, no bull****. :smoke

 

Yea dude. The Sam Peter reality show. ****in A. I'll tune in every episode!

 

I've been around boxing all my life, Peter is not a good boxer, not at all.