The Reason AJ Hasn't Announced His Next Opponent Yet

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  1. GALVATRON

    GALVATRON Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well all this would take actual intelligence and there's not one Wilder fan on here with much of any boxing knowledge if were being honest . Lol

    This certainly includes you not just the OP who himself is a mindless ranter on here but still 3x as smart as you though, think about that. lol
     
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  2. Davo

    Davo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Sorry mate, you've misunderstood my entire post. You also don't seem to know the American market at all.

    AJ has no US PPV at all. He's on DAZN. Therefore nobody is gonna avoid buying Wilder-Fury II April 6th so they can watch AJ on DAZN a week later. The UK fans buying a fight at 4am are all hardcores anyway so the drop of those fans won't be significant either. Wilder-Fury II can wait until after AJ announcesa and go the week before with no drop-off in revenue.

    AJ is fighting at Wembley or taking a bath on his next fight. He has no opponent to fight in the US. Miller-AJ doesn't do a big gate and it'd be his lowest selling UK PPV since before Wlad, especially as it'll be at 4am local time. You haven't explained at all how AJ generates big money with a US fight. Maybe run a few numbers on the back of an envelope so you can see why your argument isn't as strong as you think.
     
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  3. Davo

    Davo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I know. That's exactly my point. What part of it are you struggling with mate?
     
  4. Davo

    Davo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Honestly dude, there's no need for the gaslighting. Your first post was poor, but I showed you the respect of addressing it anyway. If you have a genuine argument try and make it please.
     
  5. Badbot

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    :lol: My point is that it's been over 3 years of "Whyte is next"...
     
  6. GALVATRON

    GALVATRON Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I know the market all around. Joshua is on DAZN would still effect Wilders PPV bc it's a PP V in the U.K not in the states, The u.s market isn't really effected either way, so Joshua fighting around the same time as Fury and Wilder would only benefit his U.S appearance further.

    Your angle is Hearn is cornered? Lol

    Hearn has either Miller or Whyte , maybe even Wlad ? It doesn't even really matter , he'll play on whatever is the best move for his fighter . One things for sure it won't be Wilder bc he lost his pen.

    Joshua is guaranteed a certain percentage on DAZN and the all around global revenue will dictate what he makes which is still far more then anything Wilder will do so I don't know what you're talking about questioning how AJ will generate money? s

    Your entire argument is Hearn is trapped? You fail to realize he only makes more money the bigger the fight. Are you saying he's losing out because Wilder s profile is getting bigger?

    If the answers yes then you clearly haven't been following this bc Hearn himself has been trying to grow his profile with even a 7 million offer vs Whyte to grow the Joshua fight, a fight he declined .

    This whole angle of AJ missed out is comical , in one sentence you say Joshua vs Whyte won t effect the Wilder fight but how does a Wilder fight then effect Joshua who's guaranteed certain amount which already exceeds either Wilder or Fury ?

    The reason the fight hasn't been announced yet is called OPTIONS. And we all know as soon as Joshua does reveal his next opponent we ALL know the fan girls will be screaming he ducked Wilder who does NOT want this fight he made that clear in MARCH 2018.
     
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  7. Davo

    Davo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Sorry but I disagree. I don't know where you are getting the idea that Hearn wanted Whyte before AJ fought Wlad, Takam, Parker or Povetkin. Whyte has been put in with Parker, an ex AJ opponent, and Chisora, who many thought beat Whyte, in his last 2 fights. Can you not see the reasoning behind that? Do you genuinely believe Hearn always intended on abandoning the April 13th date at Wembley and delaying AJ to fight Miller in the US? Can you give me a reason why that move makes any sense outside of what I have already laid out in this thread?

    I believe it's fair to say Hearn was planning on Whyte-AJ April 13th. Hearn has done a good job of raising Whyte's profile in the UK without taking any risks. He signed a deal for AJ to fight at Wembley on that date. He also has no bigger name to put on in Whyte's place and there is no public demand for any other opponent AJ is willing to fight. I think it's therefore very fair to say he's had to turn his back on those plans because Wlad-Fury II is lurking and waiting to steal his thunder and as much of his business as possible. Do you have anything to refute that? So far you've been a bit flippant at best.
     
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  8. Badbot

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    ****ing hell, you really are a potato.
     
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    Warren knows the power of AJ and the casuals in the UK. It would hinder the PPV numbers for his own fight.

    That said, it would massively impact the AJ numbers
     
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  10. Davo

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    Sorry mate, can you please address the points in my posts directly and not try and generalise and gaslight. I explained clearly why AJ-MIller next in the US would be a huge loss in revenue for AJ compared to what was already planned. That isn't an "option", it's a huge step backward. Wlad has never even been suggested as an "option" for AJ.

    If AJ is such an unstoppable juggernaught, why would he need to cancel his long held plans? Why would Hearn even think of abandoning his plans for Whyte-AJ April 13th at Wembley? He announced AJ will be fighting at that venue on that date a very long time ago. You say there was never any chance of him fighting Wilder or Fury, so what has changed? You said there are options, but there don't really seem to be any does there.
     
  11. Davo

    Davo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    More gaslighting. Why did you even post in this thread if you have no argument to make?
     
  12. deadACE

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    This thread ( like many ) is another Hearn/Joshua bash. Laughable that one of the posters or haters is talking about making an 'argument' as if they genuinely want an adult debate. Just look at the response to Galvatron, who made reasonable points. Only to be childishly insulted.

    For what it's worth. I too think Joshua messed up when he didn't secure the Wilder fight. He took the Povetkin fight thinking Wilder had no options. Thus forcing Wilder to take a vastly lower paying fight, after which he would see the error of his ways and accept he was the B side against Joshua and come back 'cap in hand' and take whatever offer Hearn/Joshua made. Fury threw a massive spanner into that plan.

    Any opponent not named Fury or Wilder for Joshua next fight will be criticised. Possibly rightly so. The thing is Joshua is still a massive draw and until he loses that probably will always be the case. So keep hating.
     
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  13. Davo

    Davo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's just my opinion, but I imagine the UK PPV is not a particularly large concern when it comes to Wilder-Fury II. It's gonna be in the US so the UK PPV will consist mainly of hardcores as it is. The revenue will more so come from the $75 US PPV, crazy high ticket prices and a big Vegas site fee. The UK fans going over to Vegas and UK PPV will be nice little bonuses but I think they'll be a smaller piece of the pie.

    If AJ goes to the US, he loses the UK stadium gate without a US name to help him off-set that with crazy ticket prices. He also loses a lot of the UK PPV with only a hope of a spike in $10 DAZN subs to off-set it. It'd be very difficult to generate comparable money to a UK AJ stadium fight. He'd be throwing away much of the power those UK casuals give him.
     
  14. Davo

    Davo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    More gaslighting. Who did I insult? I addressed all of Galvatron's points in a far more respectful way than he did mine. He actually didn't address mine at all.

    Can you quickly just bullet point out Glavatron's points that you so strongly agree with and believe disprove what I have laid out so far in this thread? I'd be more than happy to address them.
     
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  15. Badbot

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    My "argument" was that before every Joshua fight, Whyte's name gets thrown out there. And it's always to somehow belittle Joshua/Hearn.

    ... and gaslighting? :lol: Yeah, you are misusing the term here.

    Anyhow, the Whyte fight makes sense so I will not be surprised if it finally happens. The irony is that people have been predicting it for so long; they finally might be right.
     
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