The Reason AJ Hasn't Announced His Next Opponent Yet

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  1. deadACE

    deadACE Active Member Full Member

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    I'll let Galvatron explain his own points.

    I've already stated that Joshua not securing the Wilder fight has had a hit on his career, in terms of legacy. I don't think it will impact his earning potential, not yet anyway. Joshua's career is plateuing atm until he fights Wilder or Fury.

    He could fight Whyte or Miller next and the fight will do reasonable numbers. Brand Joshua is massive, you just have to look at his sponsors to see that no other boxer has his type of cross over appeal. Canelo is the only other boxer to rival Joshua in terms of brand and generating revenue.
     
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  2. PunchersChance.

    PunchersChance. Member Full Member

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    My word of the day: Gaslighting.

    Thanks Davo.
     
  3. Davo

    Davo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Sorry, but what does anything you just said have to do with this thread? If you wish to refute something I have said, please make a relevant point that does so.

    Also, gaslighting is definied as:

    manipulate (someone) by psychological means into doubting their own sanity.

    That is exactly the context in which I use the term. You now seem to be trying to us my use of the word gaslighting to gaslight me.
     
  4. PunchersChance.

    PunchersChance. Member Full Member

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    This is it. Joshua is a huge star and people will lap up whatever they’re fed.

    I think while Fury and Wilder duke it out he’ll use the opportunity to fight Miller at Barclays and raise his stateside profile.
     
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  5. Davo

    Davo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    But Galvatron hasn't made any points to refute what I said, and you claimed he has. Please point them out specifically if you genuinely believe that to be the case. I will happily address them again.

    Why would AJ-Miller in the US do "reasonable numbers"? Where is the US revenue coming from? I'm not aware of any US sponsors or advertising campaigns that feature AJ. My argument is that AJ-MIller in the US makes much less money than any AJ fight in the UK on April 13th. SO why has Hearn been trying to drop April 13th for any reason beyond what I have stated?
     
  6. Davo

    Davo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    As I keep saying, Miller at Barclays is a huge loss in revenue compared to AJ-Whyte at Wembley. Also, it has very little potential to INCREASE AJ's US profile as Miller is a non-entity, there would be no US network backing it and Fury-WIlder will be competing with it.

    Knowing all that, why would it be better to fight Miller at Barclays, then the Wilder-Fury II winner? Surely the move is to fight Whyte first and ignore Miller entirely. Even if Wilder loses, AJ-WIlder in September would do far more for AJ's US profile than AJ-Miller in June.
     
  7. tee_birch

    tee_birch Active Member Full Member

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    If AJ fought in the US it still does close to 1mil UK PPV. That's why IMO the logical decision is for him to fight Wilder in the US
     
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  8. Davo

    Davo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I agree on the wilder part because AJ-WIlder would be PPV in the US. If DAZN wanted it, they'd at least have to put up genuine PPV money to get it, unlike AJ-MIller. If AJ fights on DAZN in the US at $10, and only loses 500,000+ UK PPV at around $32, it'd still be a brutal loss in revenue. Add in all my other points about potential competition and he's taking a bath on that fight altogether.

    Which brings me back to that not being a viable option unless he know April 13th is at serious risk from Wilder-Fury II going the week before.
     
  9. Geo1122

    Geo1122 Active Member Full Member

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    While there is bitterness between the camps, I’m doubting that team Fury and team Wilder want to roll the dice on their numbers against Joshua, just to get one over on him. It won’t end well.

    People need to remember that boxing is also a business.
     
  10. Badbot

    Badbot Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :lol::lol::lol: Listen you potato, no one is trying to Yoda your ass.

    All I pointed out was that these "Whyte is next" predictions have been happening for 3 years now. Your prediction is nothing special. You are not some smartass who figured it out.

    Its a fight that always made sense and is bound to happen. That's why it gets brought up all the damn time.
     
  11. Gymbot

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    Not really. He was trying to make Joshua/Wilder. Not his fault Wilder lost his pen and his balls.
     
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    Camaris Boxing Addict Full Member

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  13. POTUS

    POTUS What ya starin' at? I'm not a mirror Full Member

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    AJ vs Hulk Hogan @ Wembley 2019 absolutely massive mate
     
  14. Sugar 88

    Sugar 88 Judges Doom, Dredd and Judy would do a better job Full Member

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    He's not being outflanked by any of those guys IMO. They're just capitalising on the PR success story that is 2018 Tyson Fury.

    Fury is the one ****ing up Hearn's plans.
     
  15. GALVATRON

    GALVATRON Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ive already not just addressed your points( and wasted to much time already on it ) but crushed them. You chose to keep asking me to address points , points you ignored because then it ruins your thread so lets SLOWLY address them since you seem to try and swerve them.

    1. You stated Hearn did not rely on a rematch with Fury and Wilder and went into some dimwitted reality as if a rematch was not planned or a possibility on both sides We already know Fury had a rematch clause if you have a brain to figure out when he said it without saying it.? Except this is another out of touch evaluation of posters like you...

    ” No, no, because he’ll have a rematch clause,Hearn explained during the post-fight press conference following Joshua’s seventh-round stoppage of Alexander Povetkin on Saturday night. “So if Fury wins – good luck to him – it’s not really what we want because we wanna fight Wilder. But again, we get the negotiations done [with Wilder], we get the deal in place for April, subject to victory. And if they don’t wanna do that, then we fight someone else in April, and then we box again in November or December. [Joshua is] not going anywhere.” E. Hearn This was in September 2018.

    2. My first post was poor. Really? You FAILED to elaborate which part I corrected YOU on ? You didn't do that and said please stick to the topic so let me post some things that you decided to ignore for you and help YOU out.. Your lame attempts to discredit have been exposed heres why.

    A .You claim if AJ was an unstoppable Juggernaut he wouldn't need to cancel his plans.

    B. A juggernaut would DARE someone to take the date of the April venue( that's what he did to Wilder ) .It was after all a " No date and venue " as Wilders excuse correct the first time?

    C. why would a juggernaut NOT go in a different direction if one participant refused to fight and then focus on the next target ?

    D. You claim others don't know the business yet you yourself don't know fights are made in advance and a Wembley arena MUST be booked in advance ? The funny thing here is AJ is willing to actually go head to head against Wilder SHOULD he sign a fury fight again ,this was explained to you already but its DUCKING in what can only be a mental problem with you guys?

    You fail to see any reasoning that Joshua CANNOT fight everyone at once and will try and be slick on here,but at the end of the day he has an open challenge to wilder for a SET date. He's ducking though ! lol

    3. You claim their are no options for Joshua? once again you making your own story up. if you don't know what his options are why are you exposing yourself here? What do you get making a fool of yourself ? Whyte . Klitschko ,Miller ,Usyk ,Pulev and WILDER are all options , some want it some don't ,i would say that's a lot of options for a HW champion 3 months time with fights that will generate interest maybe not you because your more involved with matchroom boxing instead of being a fan of boxing ,a common mistake for idiots but each to their own.

    4. You somehow think Miller wont get AJ U.S coverage yet Miller is just as known in N.Y if not more then Wilder because hes from Brooklyn ? Its a perfect set up and if around the same month or week as a wilder vs fury only drives attention to Joshua bc he is more talked about then the actual fighters fighting. What you cant grasp is business savvy of boxing but point fingers,you don't really know a lot agins if were being HONEST!

    5. You claimed top rank and PBC could put on a show a week before an Aj fight and damage it ( of course you are a nitywit and would think that)..The fact is it would only make fight fans more aware of AJ's fight in the N.Y area and those platforms wouldn't come close any thing Joshua generates . you might think fans are dumb and actually think like you but they don't. Joshua would get amost of the attention even on the same night as wilder vs Fury in Vegas.

    6. Joshuas bargaining power? According to you ,and Only you...unless you are getting stupid false info from elsewhere which I know is true ,bc you cant be this stupid... You claimed he will lose bargaining power from a nion Televised event? really ? I have news for you if and when AJ fights here (U.S) he will get many more DAZN subs wheather its on T.v or Not , his marketing power doesn't shrink bc hes not on cable network it only grows and ESPN can do what it wants , its not going to have any on what Joshua does though you wish it otherwise. In fact ESPN will be covering him when he fights here,so what dumb logic is that ?

    7.You completely failed to even register what been told to you on here, becaue then you have no ACTUAL point or thread worth reading. YOU stated If Joshua fights in the states he loses U.K gate revenue and needs to sell crazy ticket prices ? lol...Do you really think he loses money in any fight he chooses to fight in ? You cry babies complained he didn't sell out the povetkin fight which he got 70,000 in the seats filled and now are talking like hes in some DANGER OF NOT GENERATING MONEY WHEN HES GUARANTEED A AMOUNT FROM dazn WHICH DOESNT RELY ON PPV'S OR SEATING, DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS,I MEAN REALLY

    Your whole AGENDA here is about money,you aren't an accountant and simply are TRYING to sound smart on here because as you put it mis match boxing is this and that, your real problem isn't with the actual fights its with who's on top, and that's called FANBOYISM SON !

    GASLIGHT :Manipulate (someone) by psychological means into questioning their own sanity.:SimpHomer:
     
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