The Reason AJ Hasn't Announced His Next Opponent Yet

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Davo, Jan 11, 2019.

  1. kostya by ko

    kostya by ko Well-Known Member Full Member

    Feb 18, 2005
    Interesting thread which is a good read. I appreciate many of the points made on different sides.

    It's not an area I have expertise in or a particularly well informed position, but just from my observations my take on things is:

    Hearn didn't expect the Wilder/Fury fight to play out as it did when he announced April 13. How much he knew about it being in the works, we don't know, but regardless, he probably expected something more one-sided and less attention grabbing.

    Joshua's financial leverage comes from the casuals and semi-casuals in the equation. Announcing April 13 then readjusting that for any other reasons than injuries or some serious person crisis isn't a good long game for him at all. As someone mentioned ... Joshua's career (and profile) is plateauing to an extent. IMO his most valuable promotional asset is coverage he gets for free within the MAINSTREAM media. Dropping that Wembley date for any reason not clearly acceptable to UK casuals and semi-casuals would be an act of hubris. Any micro numbers gains couldn't off-set the macro brand damage ... part of the reason mass people get behind big brands is that they're reliable.

    Whyte makes sense as a back-up option for Joshua on April 13. But surely, Wilder/Fury is the main game. IMO Joshua doesn't make inroads into the US and elsewhere (such as North East Asia [where I live and do know something about]) by fighting a single second tier fight in the US. He makes inroads by holding all the belts and the lineal title. Then every time any HW comes up in the mainstream media (including the US), there's going to also be mention of the undisputed champ. At the moment both Wilder and Fury are a 'bird in hand'. It would be sort of foolish to assume that these two are going to 'stay in the bush' as huge draws for too much longer.

    My thought is that ... if it's going to be Whyte in April, and if a Wilder/Fury rematch is going to take place in the US shortly beforehand ... it would be a huge waste not to promote both as being fights in which the winners will fight each other NEXT to become undisputed. My wife always says to me that in so many things 'timing is everything'.
  2. gdm

    gdm Boxing Addict Full Member

    Mar 20, 2011
    Lol dude relax . Wilder -fury would make a difference to anything AJ does.
  3. smiffyinoz

    smiffyinoz Active Member Full Member

    Apr 1, 2018
    Let’s face it, the draw between Wilder and Fury has messy up Joshua’s plans. They were fully expecting Wilder to win and are now flapping around trying to get the Wilder fight made before he loses to Fury. When Wilder loses to Fury he will become irrelevant and the potential big money fight is gone.
  4. vast

    vast Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Nov 27, 2010
    That would be poetic justice indeed.
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  5. N17

    N17 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Feb 16, 2013
    One of the most ridiculous, pointless but very funny threads I've seen in a while.

    The bitterness and hatred displayed by the OP is really funny, I read it twice, first time just to read it and the second time I read it with a sarcastic and angry voice on my head, just imagining how wound up the OP was LOL very funny.

    I just love the way he wants these set of events to happen, absolutely nothing backing up anything he says, just his opinion and him wishing Hearn, AJ and Matchroom somehow fail.

    The fact he claims the Wilder Vs Fury fight was "so successful", since when is less than 330k, poor ticket sales and that undercard be considered "so successful"

    By his own standards of success, by his own measure of success, Joshua must be ... words actually can't describe how successful AJ must be.. AJ must be off the charts successful.

    Anyway, the OP has no idea how you book a venue of that size and what has to be planned and done, when you get the opportunity to book Wembley then you book it when you are in Hearn's position and with the fighters he has and the fights he can make.

    But he didn't let that get in the way of his bitterness, it's now some master plan by Wilder and Finkel, let's forget the fact Fury is openly telling Wilder to sign a deal and not to soil himself.

    Let's forget the fact Fury has said multiple times that rematch should be in the UK because Wilder doesn't do big numbers and couldn't sell out a relatively small venue, nope, The OP says the rematch will be were the "big money" is.

    Nope, Wilders reluctance to sign a rematch with Fury is all about poking Hearn in the eye, that's all, a little poke in the eye.

    Let's be real here, If Hearn makes AJ Vs Whyte II it's selling out Wembley and is outselling Fury Vs Wilder, straight facts.

    Don't listen to the same morons who told everybody that Wilder Vs Fury was going to do over 1 millions PPV buys, Wilder said it was going to do over 2.5 million.

    I can't take Wilder, Finkel, Wilder fanboys seriously any longer, they have zero credibility now but they are very very funny.
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  6. Tankatron

    Tankatron Active Member Full Member

    Jun 1, 2014
    AJ's plans are indeed messed up at the moment but, don't think for one second that Hearn, Matchroom and DAZN won't move heaven and earth to keep AJ at the top of the food chain. At the moment Hearn is throwing about lowball offers just on the off chance that someone is daft enough to to accept. The real negotiations are likely now taking place without the usual airing in public in order to make a big splash when a deal is made to try and regain the upper hand.

    The fact of the matter though is, if AJ continues with his desire to unify all the belts, Hearn is gonna have to overpay for that WBC belt massively. Wilder has far too many concerned parties to make negotiations straight forward, and ole fish eyes will make for the most difficult negotiation in Matchrooms history. AJ just needs to keep calm and go about his business until Wilder/ Fury sort out ownership of the WBC belt.

    I actually think that Whyte will be the opponent for April with Miller pencilled in for October/November time. By then any wrangling over the WBC will be sorted, even a potential rubber match and the landscape will start becoming more apparent. Usyk will likely have dipped his toe in the heavyweight scene, Pulev will be calling his mandatory shot and the likes of Joyce, Ortiz and Bryan will have put themselves in the frame for a shot. Plenty to look forward to here and no real losers, just a fact that AJ will be less likely to have a monopoly on the proceedings.

    An adjustment for sure but, no real indicator that AJ and Hearn are just gonna fade away.
  7. greenhornet

    greenhornet Boxing Addict Full Member

    Nov 14, 2016
    there would definitely be an American network interested in Joshua-Miller. no one here gives a damn about Wilder or Fury.
  8. Guybino

    Guybino Boxing Addict Full Member

    Mar 6, 2011

    Haymon, Finkelstein and Warren teaming up to take on Hearn just goes to show how well Hearn has done.

    Out with the old, in with the new.
  9. Security Service

    Security Service New Member booted Full Member

    Jan 12, 2019
    Not entirely correct. UK PPV’s at 5am in the morning
    have done relatively well. Mayweather-Hatton, Mayweather-Pacquiao and Mayweather-Mcgregor all
    reportedly done 1M Plus on Sky Box Office

    Given Joshua is bigger than all those three in the UK, the data shows Joshua may only take a small hit. That
    money can easily be replaced by DAZN guaranteeing a flat fee. DAZN USA is a loss making buisness and will be
    for the foreseeable future until they acquire big US Sports Rights. So they should probably take a risk with Joshua.

    The whole point of Joshua fighting in the US is more brand awareness as well as increasing the long term value of the Wilder fight. They want to make Joshua-Wilder a US PPV Fight.

    So my data shows is that Joshua will still make the same amount of revenue if he fought Miller in the US or Whyte in the UK. HE may lose a couple 100-200k UK PPV Buys but that can easily be replaced by guaranteed fee from DAZN

    And fighting in the US will mean more sponsers come after him. It’s all about LONG Term Value whichfits in with what Barry and Eddie hearn talk about. Anthony Joshua is a long term Project, that will be managed as such.
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  10. chatty

    chatty Boxing Addict Full Member

    Aug 18, 2009
    I dont think Wlad v Whyte sells Wembley but I reckon they could do about 50-60k, it would be big enough to do a stadium for sure and a real interesting fight. Id like to see it.

    Be interesting if they did do that as Whyte would be in a bigger fight than Joshua if he fought Miller. He also has Pulev looming for years end so Joshua is looking at being tied up by the ABCs. I think Hearn would prefer to do Joshua v Whyte than anything else currently but thats two of his PPV stars and with Khan v Brook not happening he might want to keep them split for now.

    He doesnt have a great dealnof options, he can gamble on Brook v Harrison but its not PPV on its own and would be underwhelming, he has Crolla who. Is mandatory for Loma but I cant see anyone buying into Crolla having a chance so thats a very difficult sell even if Arum lets him.

    Other than that hes relying on anyone with name value (Canelo, GGG, Ward) fighting Smith as Smith doesnt have a name to sell it on his own.

    Usyk v Povetkin/Ortiz would be a good fights but again ita not PPV in UK so I dunno if they will stump the money up to do it.

    Hes in a bit of a pickle.
  11. Benladdie3000

    Benladdie3000 New Member Full Member

    Aug 1, 2018
    its only a matter of time before Joshua tests positive for some substances
  12. PolicemanPrawn

    PolicemanPrawn Member Full Member

    Apr 29, 2017
    I quite enjoyed this 'rigorous' debating-society type discussion, with the point-by-point arguments and replies. Perhaps more stuff here should be like that.
  13. Badbot

    Badbot Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Apr 17, 2011
    :lol: Told ya.
  14. Davo

    Davo Boxing Addict Full Member

    May 27, 2010
    AJ clearly stated in an interview about Fury's Espn deal that he dropped his April 13th date because of the looming Fury Wilder rematch. So your favourite Mis-Matchroom fighter proved me right again. Nice try though x
  15. Badbot

    Badbot Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    Apr 17, 2011
    AJ is not my favorite fighter, nice try.
    I just happened to point out how post every AJ fight, his detractors state that Whyte is next.
    Yet it once again did not happen.

    That's my entire point. That the Whyte fight did not happen. told ya! :lol:

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