The reason Nazim is so highly regarded

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  1. newby johnson

    newby johnson Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You can't do that if you're a sheep, like most people here (or anywhere for that matter).

    What work is that? What exactly has he done to improve either fighter? What is it that either of them couldn't have done before they got with Nazim and now can?

    Really? Let's say he did have a significant hand in Mosley and Hops' victories (which he didn't), that justifies the godlike status???

    Ah, I see, so it's longevity that makes someone a good trainer.
     
  2. scilent assasin

    scilent assasin p4p Full Member

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    BULL****.. you really think your clever? both fighters were heavy underdogs going into the fight in fact people were saying hopkins is going to get killed! its the trainers responsibility to form a strategy cottos trainer got it wrong cotto should have clinched but didnt nazim didnt make the same mistake. and i guess if you saw these two victories comming you should have put ur money were your mouth is and make some serious cash....guess you aint that clever
     
  3. konaman

    konaman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    People just about give Nazim more credit for the Pavlik win than Hopkins, it wouldn't have been any different regardless of the trainer. Hopkins could probably corner himself. :lol:

    Very good trainer definitely, but some people make him out to be the second coming. Hopkins fought the way he always fights, and Mosley's speed advantage and punch resistance advantage over Margarito's typical opponents, combined with him consistently beating Margarito to the punch led to a beat down, from a tactical standpoint he fought like Shane Mosley always fought, he was just in excellent shape and fired up as the underdog. Sometimes people try to credit too much towards the trainer rather than the fighter, as Freddy Roach always says.
     
  4. mugen82

    mugen82 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What garbage , you've seen him say the most idiotic things? Why dont u share them ratehr than spewing ur cow crap!
    You're just a bitter mid western tool still smarting form the beating of a lifetime Hopkins gave Pavlik, get over it!
     
  5. newby johnson

    newby johnson Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I know I am.

    Pac was a heavy underdog against DLH, people once thought the earth was the center of the universe etc

    I didn't mean to comment when that idiot before you commented on clinching, but this is just crazy, this is beyond crazy that two people could be this stupid. I feel stupid just explaining it to you:

    Watch some boxing matches, clinching isn't smth extraordinary, it happens often. I realize you're an idiot but I find it hard to believe that even you would believe that Cotto's trainer told him "don't clinch" and that that is the reason he lost the fight. You should be stuffed and put up in a museum as an exhibit of homo sapiens stupiditus.

    Cotto doesn't clinch (or usualy doesn't) on principle, not as a tactic to win the fight, you brainless waste of food, space and electricity.

    Just read this part and you may realize just how stupid you are. How the **** do you know I didn't do just that????
     
  6. newby johnson

    newby johnson Boxing Addict Full Member

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    In fact I've heard comments like the one Lamps made during the Pavlik fight that Hops is the president and the camp his cabinet - for you idiots, that means Hops is in charge of his own training.

    What are you basing this on?

    Well you seem to have some brains, thought prolly not too much based on the second quote. I wonder what your answer will be.
     
  7. lefthook31

    lefthook31 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    I think hes taken an established fighter in Mosley and made him more of a thinking fighter, which is certainly an improvment for Mosley who I believe never had a thinking corner on his side.
    As said hes worked with two very established fighters, but strategizing is often an aspect of training thats overlooked and undervalued in boxing. Richardson hasnt developed a world champion from scratch, but so far hes been pretty impressive with two fighters who have been written off as a serious threat in Mosley, and way past their respective best in Hopkins.
    Time will tell but I think he has some good potential. The thinking aspect of training is something I rate very highly, thats why Emanuel Steward, Tommy Brooks, Eddie Futch, Freddie Roach are tops on my list even though their focus has not been as much on being a strict physical disciplinarian as it was following a plan during the course.
     
  8. snakeface

    snakeface The Woodside Hurricane Full Member

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    Sounds like you got personal issues and base this on personality instead of accomplishment or failure
     
  9. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    Catching Trinidad and his people is what gave him far more attention when he caught Margarito, that topic was as hot as the Margarito topic when it happened. How poorly Cotto's team checked on Margarito's wraps added a lot more as well.
     
  10. newby johnson

    newby johnson Boxing Addict Full Member

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    There was an interview posted where he commented on, I think, the Pac May fight where he said such idiotic things, maybe someone can find it. He mentions Klitchko and weight difference a lot in it.

    There's also the video interview posted today where he says smth about Shane not fighting since Margo and then says "You don't throw away a cadilac bc it has a dent in it." This is trivial, but it makes no sense. For you idiots (meaning pretty much everyone), it suggests that there'd be trainers who'd consider retiring Shane bc he hasn't fought in a long time. It's trivial, as I said, but still...
     
  11. Charlie

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    You really do dislike Mr. Richardson don't you Johnson!

    The thing I think most people get confused with about Naz is he's there for gameplan and strategy purposes only. His expertise as an out an out trainer is in my eyes untested, as they say, "you can't teach an old dog new tricks.". Quite simply put, I think both Bernard Hopkins and Shane Mosley are quite capable of training themselves I mean both 50 + fights with vast years of experience, there's not much Naz could do except support the two. It's his in the ring ability to keep his cool and give clear precise advice on which route to take in dismantling his fighters opponents that he does so well.
     
  12. newby johnson

    newby johnson Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Give me an example of Mosley thinking in a fight under Nazim.

    Give me an example of Nazim's strategy winning the fight, and of course give me proof that Nazim came up with it as opposed to the fighter himself or someone else in the camp coming up with it pre fight or the fighter coming up with it during the fight.

    What exactly has been impressive?

    Someone being way bast their best doesn't mean ****, because it is a relative tearm, you understand? SRR way past his best still beats a lot of good fighters.

    Again, anybody who thinks they can rank trainers isn't really a thinking person. I love the irony.
     
  13. Charlie

    Charlie Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Naz clearly didn't mean what you think he meant. The actual interview started with the interviewer asking Naz if Shane would fight on after the Mayweather fight. He made the cadillac quote in reference to Shanes 5 losses, just because there's that dent in his career don't mean the guys gunna retire. It's got nothing to do with shane not fighting often.
     
  14. newby johnson

    newby johnson Boxing Addict Full Member

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    On the contrary, I like him a lot, just like everyone else, but I have the brains to realize why I like him, unlike you (the general you, not just you specificaly) sheep.
     
  15. Chessboxer

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    I've been watching Mosley since '99. and he did a couple of things in the Marg fight I haven't seen him do in years.

    -It was his most effective display of jabbing since the first DLH fight. He never stopped jabbing the whole fight and threw hard jabs to Marg's chest and body.

    -He would clinch everytime he landed a hard shot (and after Marg would open up) and drive him back draining Margs energy

    -His defense was a lot better (he barely got hit in that fight).

    -He spontaneoudly witched to southpaw mutiple times, and threw accurate lead lefts out of the southpaw stance (which were nailing Margarito, and one even set up a knockdown).

    -He didn't take a round off and just generally looked a more sharper fighter

    I honestly think if he was in there w/Jack Mosley it would have been a harder fight that would have went all 12. Nazim did a lot of things (things I still probably don't even notice) that softened Margarito up. Richardson didn't remake Mosley, he just maximizes his potential/abilities.