The reason why Canelo wont fight Benavidez

Where does it say that "PBC were actually willing to put the money up for Canelo's last two fights on the contract as long as he agreed to fight Benavidez in September"? You said that "Canelo reportedly declined because he doesn't want to fight Benavidez" and suggested that Dan alluded to that on X. The article above doesn't say anything along those lines. It's just a basic summary of what happened.

The major issue with Benavidez moving up to 175 in June (and not just fighting there to stay busy) but to campaign there, to become Mandatory for Bivol / Beterbiev means that he could lose his mandatory status at 168. If he wins in June and becomes the mandatory for the winner of Bivol / Beterbiev then how's he gonna be mandatory in two weight classes? This Could cause the WBC to not consider him the mandatory at 168 anymore and allow Canelo to not fight him. But if he stays at 168 then Canelo would have to fight him, realistically by September. That's the problem I have with him moving up to 175. It potentially allows Canelo to no longer have to fight him. Understand?

You're saying that Benavidez only moves up to 175 if Canelo doesn't agree to fight him. If Canelo doesn't agree to fight him, then Benavidez can FORCE the fight by September . . . UNLESS he moves to 175 in June which case the WBC would presumably no longer consider him mandatory at 168 and he wouldn't be able to force the fight anymore.

Now I get Benavidez wanting to fight the winner of Bivol vs Beterbiev, that's admirable and those would be great fights too. Maybe it'll work out for the better, because then Benavidez would "presumably" have to sign with DAZN which would make a Canelo fight (at 175 or 168) more appealing. But as a fan who wants to see Canelo fight Benavidez this year, I'm disappointed that the fight doesn't look like it's gonna happen anymore, at least not at 168 this year.

Berlanga is not a big test, Canelo should have an easy time with him. But Munguia is a serious opponent and could give Canelo all kinds of problems. His work rate, chin, Munguia is a tough opponent. The problem with Crawford is that if he fights Bud before he fights Benavidez, he'll be accused of picking on another little guy. So I would rate Morrell or Munguia as far greater threats to him at 168 than Bud. Frankly I don't think Bud stands a chance against Canelo at 168. If Bivol beats Beterbiev a two-weight Undisputed match at 168 becomes a distinct possibility.

 

He is Canelo’s
Margarito to Floyd.
He is a serious threat to PeyDey Gravy Train
So why gamble when he is already “El Rey”
At least from Canelos perspective

 

Re the Dan Rafael article, let me quote:

The feeling inside PBC, sources said, was that if Alvarez would not agree to fight Benavidez or Crawford it was left with only second-tier opponents for him to fight and that while PBC was willing to lose money on a May fight - after losing money on the September fight with Jermell Charlo - it felt it needed a payoff with an A-level final bout of the agreement against Benavidez or Crawford.

I think that clearly justifies my points - assuming Dan's sources are accurate. Apart from that:

1. I get your concern that Benavidez moving up could give the WBC a reason to cancel the mandatory, but if there is a realistic chance of a Canelo fight it would be a one-off thing for sure. I don't see a better opponent at 168 lb since Morrell reportedly isn't ready. Benavidez's management aren't dumb, they've actually done very well to get him in the position he is in with only two top-level wins vs Andrade and Plant.

2. Munguia is not that good to be honest. He's definitely a lot better than Berlanga but he isn't in Canelo's class, and his style won't trouble Canelo. Bud would be way more interesting for me and I think most fight fans (you could put a poll here, PBC seem to think the same, etc.).

 

That statement is not part of the article that comes up for me. Is there additional commentary from Dan that you get if you're a paid subscriber to Dan's substack or something? I'm not a paid subscriber to Dan's substack so perhaps that's why that part is missing.

According to the reports, it was not a one-off, it was a fight to become the mandatory for Bivol / Beterbiev. So if he wins, then he would presumably become the mandatory at 175 and lose his mandatory status at 168. That's the problem.

I understand not wanting to wait around for Canelo but if he in fact has the ability to force the fight in September, which it seems that he would given the situation, that's only 6 months away. I just see the announcement of him moving up to 175 (let alone following through with it) as a way to avoid forcing Canelo to fight him this year. That's why I'm against it. I simply want to see the fight ASAP as most fans do.

Canelo struggles with high work rate fighters. Munguia has a hell of a chin as well. If Canelo can't get him out of there, it's going to be difficult to win a decision against Jamie who throws a lot of punches and doesn't back down. And more importantly, stylistically I think it could produce fireworks.

 

Yeah it is unfortunately a paid article, sorry.

I understand your point re Benavidez vs Gvodzyk, it is a potential issue if we go exactly by everything that is reported, but I'm just confident that Benavidez's team will make the right moves and not jeopardize a Canelo fight. He makes way more money vs Canelo than against Bivol or Beterbiev, and it will do more for him than fighting Bivol or Beterbiev. Even if he loses he can continue his career and perhaps revenge it a few years later at 175lb - losing to Floyd didn't hurt Canelo at all either.

I do agree that the Munguia fight would be a good one to watch. Munguia does have a good chin so won't get KO'ed easily, but I see Canelo frustrating him completely with well-timed counterpunches and Munguia either losing a wide UD or getting pulled out late. I really find it hard to see another outcome, but it looks like we will see for ourselves. It's nothing as good as a Benavidez fight though, and like I said before, most of us would find the Bud fight much more fascinating.

 

Glazer was the first to report showtime were out. Everyone said he was lying

Glazer 2 weeks ago said Canelo was leaving PBC. Again people said he was lying

 

Wasnt owed $70 mil as he didnt fight. The fact that PBC would have been happy with Mungia is a joke,

Why would Canelo remain on PBC to fight Mungia when he can quite easliy go to matchroom and be guaranteed whatever purses promised.

 

... So no breach of contract, then? Isn't that what I told you? Canelo had no case as soon as PBC offered to pay him the 35 mil if he would fight Benavidez. The third fight stipulation was a "mutually agreed upon" opponent. PBC drew a hard line and would only agree to Benavidez, hence no mutual agreement and a legally voided contract. People much smarter than message board posters draw these contracts up.

And if matchroom wants to guarantee Canelo 35 million to fight the Edgar Berlangas of the world, so be it.

The joke is that these are all of the people Canelo wanted to fight, with no mention of fighting Benavidez:

Jermell Charlo, Jermall Charlo, Errol Spence, Edgar Berlanga, Jaime Munguia... and then whatever other name he was going to pull out of his ass.

Pure comedy.

 

When you have people thinking PBC didn't want the Benavidez Canelo fight, you know its totally pointless to even talk to them. That is totally irrational thinking. Blinded by PBC hate like Rick Glaser. They are basically flat earthers.

 

I dont believe that. I dont think PBC had the money to pay Canelo which meant Canelo could void his contract.

 

That doesn't make any sense if you sit and think about it. If what you say is true, Canelo is owed 70 million by PBC.

They parted ways, right? PBC gets out from the Canelo contract and no longer has to pay him... but what does Canelo get from the split? NOTHING.

You are being lied to.

 

Owed $70 mil from a company who have ran out of money.

Canelo luckily managed to get out before taking another fight and then stiffed for his purse afterwards.

 

So Canelo is refusing to sue out of the goodness of his heart?

 

Sue for what? His not trying to sue to get out his contract as clearly the contract had terms where Canelo could walk away if those terms were not met.

His not fought and then not been paid as per the terms so doesnt need to sue for unpaid monies either.

 

No one ever offered Floyd 50 million to fight Margarito and Floyd didn't hold four belts hostage.