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The Reason why the Heavyweight Division is considered weak

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Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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ME262 said:

"Guys like Valuev, Chagaev, Ibragimov and to a lesser extent both Klitschko's have absolutely no charisma or excitement..."

What does "charisma" mean to you - simian antics and chest pounding and "trash talking"? Boxing is SUPPOSED to be a real sport. It's not wrasslin'.

The European fighters have brought back gentlemanly conduct and sportmanship to a sport that has been dominated too long by the likes of Cassius Clay.
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I don't like trash talking, but a guy needs to be funny and good to watch, none of the current heavies are :deal

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ME262 said:

An endlessly over-hyped bum like Cassius Clay aka M. Ali would be lucky if he could last two rounds against Wlad, and those two rounds would be spent running away for dear life.

There should be an asterisk next to the names of Clay and the rest because fighters from the communist ruled countries were not allowed to fight then. They are now and the results are obvious. The heavyweight division is actually stronger now than it has been in a hundred years, and it is more of a real worldwide championship now, the heavyweight belt.
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This post really shows how little you now about boxing. There are at least 10 guys on Ali's resume' who would absolutley dominate any HW in the world today. Many of the guys who were consider second tier fights in that era woul be unified champ today.

In closing, I'd just like to say:

SHUT THE **** UP NOOB!

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Henry Cooper would be undisputed champ at heavy today, as would Frank Bruno.

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I have Wlad at #10 p4p and think the division is quite strong given the universal nature of boxing now.

Yes, Wlad would be much more highly regarded if he were black but he can overcome that by stringing together some impressive victories over Povetkin, Haye, Peter, Chagaev ...etc.

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none of the heavyweights are
outspoken- rjj
funny- calzaghe
talk trash- mayorga
marketable- oscar/floyd
a ko artist- pavlik
very skilled- paqman

add this with the lack of competition in the division.. it makes for a horrible division

walk with me, Jul 11, 2008

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REatb6869 said:

I have Wlad at #10 p4p and think the division is quite strong given the universal nature of boxing now.

Yes, Wlad would be much more highly regarded if he were black but he can overcome that by stringing together some impressive victories over Povetkin, Haye, Peter, Chagaev ...etc.
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you might

but ringmagazine & espn.com (professionals)

dont have him top 10 (espn doesnt even have wlad top 20)

Montero said:

A guy that is yet to fight a single HW contender is the "savior of the division"? Really? Maybe he's the "POTENTIAL savior of the division" - but that's still a little premature in my opinion.
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dont take things so literally... you know what i mean..

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Beeston Brawler said:

Henry Cooper would be undisputed champ at heavy today, as would Frank Bruno.
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No ****! Think about this: A prime Jerry Quarry vs the version of Iggy that fought Vlad.:hey

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That has got to be the worst arguement for anything I have ever heard.

Wlad is the only guy fighting right now that would be a top contender in the 90's

put down the pipe, Jesus that was dumb.

nezy37, Jul 11, 2008

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ME262 said:

The latest Great Black Hope, that's why they're jerking off over Haye.
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it has nothing to do with his skin color

hes young
speaks english well
marketable (attractive & excting)
exciting fighting style
outspoken
successful up to this point
will put asses in the seats

no fighter in the hw division has all of these attributes

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wrastla285 said:

Im going to try to be short and to the point with this. Sometimes I dont do a good job of explaining myself, but try to walk this path with me....

The greatest heavyweight of all time. Muhammed Ali, fought greats like Frazier, Liston, Foreman, Norton, and so on and so on.

Foreman, Tyson, Bowe, Holyfield.... All great heavyweights!! No on here would disagree.... What do all of these guys have in common? You got it. Americans.... The United States will only embrace one of there own as great. The only foreign heavyweight to ever gain respect from the american public was lennox lewis, and that was only after he retired. Now im not saying that the heavies of today are better, but what i am saying is they are not as bad as some of us make them out to be. Just because one is not american does not mean they are not great, or dont have the ability to be great.

To end this, and some of you will dispute but down in know this is the truth, if Wladimir Klitschko's was an American, most of us would call him great. I have no doubt of this, the reason i say that is i see how many American fighters in other divisions that have accomplished less than Klitschko are called great.

Just because the US doesnt have a great heavyweight, doesnt mean the division sucks.... Thanks for yer time.
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atsch

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ME262 said:

An endlessly over-hyped bum like Cassius Clay aka M. Ali would be lucky if he could last two rounds against Wlad, and those two rounds would be spent running away for dear life.

There should be an asterisk next to the names of Clay and the rest because fighters from the communist ruled countries were not allowed to fight then. They are now and the results are obvious. The heavyweight division is actually stronger now than it has been in a hundred years, and it is more of a real worldwide championship now, the heavyweight belt.
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Somebody please ban this ****!

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Montero said:

To say that contenders from decades ago would dominate today's heavyweights is a bit ridiculous guys. That's like saying Wilt Chamberlain would dominate in today's NBA. Or that Jim Brown would be a stud in today's NFL.

Today's athletes are bigger, stronger, faster, have better training, better nutrition, etc. Today's fighters have the benefit of looking at tapes from yesteryear to learn from past boxers mistakes.

Most heavyweights back in the day would be LHW or CW today.
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Maybe you should have picked different examples.

Jim Brown was a HUGE running back, even by todays standards...he was also a world class track athlete as well...meaning he was BIG and FAST!!! He didnt fumble either. The man was a MONSTER and would be a HOFer even if he played now.

Wilt was 7'1, 275 lbs...he was also wonderfully skilled offensively and very good defensively....with the shortcomings of todays NBA centers...just like Brown, Chamberlain would still be on his way to the HOF if he was in the NBA now.

Ali was also this type of athlete...today, he is unified and dominating.

Sometimes I wonder if people even see these older fighters fight or do they just form their opinions off of boxrec and the 1 or 2 fights they may have seen on ESPN classic.

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Pimp C said:

Somebody please ban this ****!
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I wish we knew what his other screen name was so we could ban that as well....pretty obvious he is an alias of another poster.

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sues2nd said:

I wish we knew what his other screen name was so we could ban that as well....pretty obvious he is an alias of another poster.
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I agree. It has alias written all over it.:yep

Pimp C, Jul 11, 2008

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ME262 said:

Horse****. Clay won most of his fights by phony decisions, fixed gloves, fixed ring ropes, black muslim intimidation, etc. He was also fighting guys weighing around 200 pounds.

And in closing I'd just like to say, GO **** YOURSELF, A-HOLE.
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Wrong...

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