The Reasons Why Calzaghe never faced a top fighter.

Did this fall through some kind of internet timewarp from three years ago?

 

atsch

idiot.. so you mean bhop ain't a top fighter?

 

Or maybe you are the one who is gullible - not 'gulable' - to believe otherwise?

 

Ever heard of Kessler,Hopkins,Jones,Reid,etc?

 

Someone should ask RJJ and B-HOP why they didn't fight Calzaghe earlier on in their career and put an end to these boring threads.

 

You make good points, man. People can go back and forth about who ducked who, but it never gets anywhere. I think JC is/was a great fighter who punked himself by being so scared to take a loss. Lacy was a good win and Kessler was his best. Hopkins lost the fight because he thought he was winning since round one. RJJ was a decent win, but did nothing more for his career than tack on the name of an ATG that was far beyond his prime.

Brits have a lot of nationalistic pride and are a loud voice in the boxing world. British fighters get certain passes that most other fighters do not get. Whether you argue that JC was overrated, overprotected, or a little of both, the man did put in some serious work. Staying on top for as long as this guy did has to be respected, especially boxing in a weight class where a lot of fighters can hit.

 

Couldn't have said it better

 

**** me this is boring now. i was getting quite happy not seeing one of these foolish threads for the last few weeks

 

1/so in your opinion if calzaghe had not held the WBO but held the WBC/WBA/IBF titles from 1997 to 2006 he would not have been in a comfort zone and had to be put in against the opposition which beyer/ottke/ faced instead .

which would have led to calzaghe fighting fighters like

?????-please fill in who you mean.

2/ if supermiddle was so **** from 1997 to 2006 how come not a single middleweight /light middleweight from 1997 to 2006 ever stepped up and won a portion of the title dethroning a calzaghe or ottke.

3/what difference does showtime or HBO make, lacy was the first star of the division not based in europe who was perceived to have a chance to beat calzaghe who was a 168 fighter.
that fight was made, does not really matter which channel aired it.

4/people should not claim jones ducked calzaghe.
different weight classes for the whole of 1997 to 2006

5/straight after lacy HBO got calzaghe bika and manfredo.

are they the big names you are talking about ?????

6/risk managment , no arguements from me, but do you hold 1 criteria for european/uk fighters and another for american based fighters , or do you beleive that fighting at 4 am in the morning uk time in front of 200 to a maximum of 3000 american fans is what calzaghe should have been doing for the last 10 years .

7/ calzaghe is a boxer/personality wise he never made waves, some people have charisma , some dont, some are ticket sellers , some are not.
if warren was not happy, he should have piad more money to calzaghe opponents and had better matchmaking skills.

8/living in the uk and participating on a boxing site , IMO there would be very few gullible brits on esb who do not know what was and is being put in front of them and acknowledge the fact.
thats what most of us post about 99% of the time .

there are some fans who attend his fights who might not follow boxing as a whole, but none who post on esb.

starie was coming of a win v clinton woods and fought negatively v calzaghe making for a **** fight.

veit was a mandatory , enforced by kohl

veit 2 was a mandatory enforced by khol , which had the calzaghe v mageee fight cancelled the night before due to take place by the german promoter.

warren had nothing to do with veit 2 , it was promoted by klaus peter khol in germany after khol won the purse bid.

 

Im sorry but where in his autobiography does it say, why go abroad and reduce chances of victory? please tell me the page number, i must of missed that page,

and i also remember calzaghe talking about contract talks with bernard hopkins in that book and hopkins being the one not taking the fight,

I also recall frank warren being in charge of who hatton and calzaghe fights, as by reading both hatton and calzaghe books, they were given opponenets early in there defense and late on, its a shame how calzaghe who has been overlooked for being in a bad division, anybody who defends there title for over 20 defense's does deserve respect,

I agree with joe been aside from the lavish lifestyle which self promoting himself could of brought, but still how can anybody critise how somebody wants to live there life?

then your talking about how jones is a superstar, but can you honestly say jones fought the best fighters that were avalible to him? jones had more of a oppertunity than calzaghe to fight the best of the best,

i think you are been quite critical of joe and his accomplishments and very blind to see actully what he has done in his career, being a world champion for 11 years and with over 20 title defense's, your saying his career, has been filled with garbage fighters, well why aint hopkins number 1? he has far bigger names on his record than Jones, a de la hoya and trinidad tarver, winky wright,pavlik, are bigger than jones best wins, So why is jones your number 1?

 

Joe's longevity was IN SPITE of his weightclass?? That's the most ridiculous thing I've read around here in a while. And the rest made such sense!

Great fighter. Should have had a better legacy. So should have Jones. Enough.

 

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calzaghe should have faced some better fighters, some of the fights warren set up were total garbage and ripping of the tv stations and paying fans.

tv stations should have put a kaibosh on many of joes opponents.

but IMO calzaghe would have beaten any of the 168 fighters of that period 97/06
echols/lucas/beyer/ottke/ are notable names he never faced.

this is where warren should have gotten his wallet out and made these fights.

to be fair beyer was offered £ 900,000 for a unification fight with calzaghe.

ottke was never offered a tempting realistic purse, but a purse that warren new would not be accepted.

these are fights that could have and should have happened, but IMO that is more warren`s fault than calzaghe`s.

there was no money whatsoever to be made fighting in america in this time frame.

echols for instance was on about £20,000 a fight when he fought at 168 and american tv even asked echols to take a pay cut on this ammount, which he refused and was pulled.

compare this to calzaghe getting £750,000 for fighting mario veit in europe.