The rehydration clause comes from Canelo or the IBF?

The decision to drop the rehydration caluse for unification fights was made in August 2017, 5 months after Jacobs vs GGG.

The official statement reads :

"Second-day weigh-ins will remain in effect for all other [IBF] bouts," IBF president Daryl Peoples told ESPN. "We changed the second-day weigh-in for unifications after we received a request from one of our members. We had discussed changing the rule prior to the request.

"Naturally, we would like to see both fighters participate in the second-day weigh-in for safety reasons. However, we found that some fighters were not participating in the second-day weigh-ins, and those fighters that complied with the rule had a disadvantage due to weight disparities on fight day."

It vaguely mentions that the change was made after receiving a request from one of their members. GGG was the IBF champ at that time, do you think Team GGG complained about it to the IBF and got the rule changed ? Did GGG and his team feel Jacobs had an unfair functional weight advantage that night due to the rule ?

The ESPN article reads "While Jacobs put on more than 10 pounds overnight, Golovkin had to restrict himself, although he ultimately won the fight in a close, unanimous decision. Some have argued that Jacobs' effectiveness was partly because he was allowed to rehydrate more than 10 pounds while Golovkin was a bit more lethargic because he had far less time to rehydrate after the weight check."

What Jacobs recently said about being "sluggish" vs GGG due to the extra weight is contrary to the argument made about Jacobs being more effective due to him exceeding 170 lbs. So which is it, is Jacobs telling the truth about how putting on the extra weight and bypassing the same day weigh-in made him more sluggish and slow vs GGG, or did it make him more "effective" ?

This seems to be a very debatable subject, but if I had to guess it sounds like something Team GGG or Abel Sanchez would have complained about following the Jacobs fight, it would only make sense that GGG would have wanted that rule changed so he would not be at any weight restrictions in future unification bouts like he was against Jacobs.

But at the same time, in making that change you also allow the challenger to come in over 170 and still challenge for the IBF belt which wasn't allowed before.

 

Yes, of course.

Jacobs is full of excuses. Nobody forced him to be too heavy that night. It was his own decision.

It's not. It's an obvious thing — when two boxers fight, and only one of them is expected to be significantly limited in his allowed weight on the day of the fight, it is unfair.

 

This^

Why else would Canelo insist on a rehydration clause? If rehydration made no difference then why is he so concerned about it? Canelo is an expert at rehydration and he's learned first hand (vs Floyd) how debilitating a hard cut is. He's also been able to weight bully 154lb guys for half his career by coming in the bigger guy. Now he wants to avoid Jacobs having the same legal advantages he's had throughout his career. SMH.

 

Clenelo is a scampion

 

OK but you can't have it both ways. Many were calling for rehydration clauses on Canelo for years, complaining that Canelo was rehydrating too much. Now we have a rehydration clause, which if you believed that Canelo benefits from rehydrating the day of the fight, well this would limit how much he rehydrates to. The IBF made it clear in their statement when they made this change for unification bouts back in August 2019 that they'd still like both fighters to participate in IBF same day weigh-ins. You are saying that Canelo insisted on a rehydration clause, but you don't know that. For all we know, the IBF asked both teams if would agree to a same day weigh-in and a 10 lb limit and both sides agreed to their participation in it. However the penalty of coming in over 170 lbs no longer makes you unable to fight for the IBF belt. In this case it's only a financial penalty for every lb over, for both fighters.

I can guarantee you that if there was no same day weigh-in for this fight, you'd be on here complaining about how Canelo insisted on there not being a same day weigh-in so he could rehydrate more. The rule change was a direct result of Jacobs not participating in it vs GGG, i.e. Jacobs not being able to make 170 the morning of the GGG fight. The 10-lb weigh-in like it or not has been a long standing tradition with the IBF and only until recently (due to what happened in GGG Jacobs) is it not required in unification fights. That doesn't mean the IBF doesn't want there to be one where possible or wouldn't insist on it if both fighters agreed.

 

Sure.

But we do know that Canelo insisted on it:

This content is protected

Nonsense. At 154 no rehydration clause benefitted him because he was a huge 154lb fighter. At 160 he's probably at his right weight, facing big 160lb fighters like Jacobs who can rehydrate to much more. The no rehydration clause benefitted him at 154 and having a rehydration limit benefits him at 160. He's had it both ways, and always in his favour.

Again, Jacobs was forced to agree to the rehydration clause or there would have been no fight. He makes it clear. Team Golden Spoon strikes again.

 

**** me the king of GUFF

 

They are both monster rehydraters but it just smarts a bit that it's canelo, king of the catch weights trying to put his opposition at a disadvantage again.

Just get the feeling when canelo fights its never actually a full on fair fight.

 

I think Jacobs wins this, I’m looking forward to this big time. Underrated fight

 

Ya think? Clenelo even needed to drain Rocky Fielding

 

LOL you're listening to the guy who didn't participate in the same day weigh-in for GGG when it was required, and now is making it clear that he didn't want to do a same day weigh-in then and doesn't want to do one now. He starts off this interview by saying "I heard the interview where Canelo said it wasn't up to him and he had no say so whether the IBF rules was implemented."

So right there Jacobs is relaying to you that Canelo has made it clear in an interview that it wasn't up to him, that he had no say so about the same day weigh-in. The IBF Champ is Jacobs, remember, not Canelo.

Jacobs adds "As we know the IBF doesn't put those rules on us, so it is to the fighter's discretion . . . you know I didn't want that".

Jacobs stated that Canelo and his team put that stipulation in there, and Jacobs is trying to come off as saying that this isn't boxing history. But yet the IBF traditionally has mandated same day weigh-ins in unification bouts and have only made them not mandatory any more due to what Jacobs did vs GGG.

I've never been a fan of same day weigh-ins or rehydration clauses but I've always respected the IBF rule. If it was up to me I wouldn't have a same day weigh-in, but I don't buy the idea that the IBF had nothing to do with there being a same-day weigh-in here. And lets not forget Jacobs is the IBF Champ. It's his belt now that has the history of the same day weigh-in and it was his fight with GGG that prompted a rule change that no longer mandates it where he chose not to participate in it. To now blame Canelo for insisting on there being one would be to forget about what happened with Jacobs GGG and that if Jacobs had participated in the same day weigh-in vs GGG it wouldn't have ever become a rule change and it would still be mandatory. On top of that Canelo is denying he had any say so in it. We know one thing, if the IBF or its title wasn't involved, if Jacobs wasn't involved, there wouldn't be any talk of a same day weigh-in. Jacobs should be happy that he managed to become the IBF champ after going against their rules vs GGG and supposedly not paying the sanctioning fees for that fight was one of the reasons why the IBF changed the rule, due to what Jacobs did vs GGG.

Agree generally about him being a huge 154 lb fighter, and that he naturally needed to rehydrate more having to cut to make 154 than he does at 160. It wasn't always in his favor. It certainly wasn't in his favor aginset Floyd and it wasn't in his favor against Khan either. He could have insisted on the bout being at 160 but he agreed to meet him at 155 it more fair to for Khan. And don't laugh, we saw what GGG did with Brook fighting him without a catchweight. Khan wouldn't agree to fight Canelo at 160 or even north of 155 so Canelo had to sacrifice weight to make that Khan fight. Another example is GGG, a catchweight would have benefitted Canelo and many accused Canelo of wanting to fight GGG at a catchweight but when push came to shove Canelo or his team didn't insist on it, so the fight was at 160.

That's what he's saying, he probably heard that from his team.

It's hard for me to believe Jacobs on this when he's the guy who was the catalyst for the IBF rule change in the first place when he didn't participate in it vs GGG. The same day weigh-in that he's coming about is a rule that the organization of the belt that he is holding has a long history of doing, and only stopped mandating it because of him lol. He's claiming Canelo or Canelo's team demanded it, but he specifically points out an interview he heard of Canelo denying he had anything to do with it. It's clear that you are just taking what Jacobs is saying as fact when he said that Canelo and his team put that stipulation in there. Jacobs team most likely interpreted it when the contract was sent to them with GB already agreeing to the IBF same day weigh-in as a sign it was Golden Boy who insisted on it. But Jacobs doesn't know, I doubt he or Canelo had any say in the same day weigh-ins. It comes down to who you believe, Jacobs claim that Canelo (or his team, which is a big difference by the way since Canelo himself is always being accused of being a weight bully) insisted on the same day weigh-in or Canelo's denial that he had any say so in it. It's Jacobs IBF title that has a history of same day weigh-ins, and his his refusal to participate in it vs GGG which resulted in this new "fighter discretion weigh-in agreement". Jacobs should be happy that the IBF has him as his champion after he skipped out on their standard agreement vs GGG, and the IBF has made it clear they still want to have same day weigh-ins when possible.

 

Canelo is lying. Your own excerpt from the IBF statement makes it clear that the IBF waived the requirement.


Jacobs adds "As we know the IBF doesn't put those rules on us, so it is to the fighter's discretion . . . you know I didn't want that".

Nonsense. I wasn't happy with what Jacobs did to Golovkin but the fact is that Canelo wanted a weight restriction. It's a fact.

Uhhhh ... he's a liar? There exists a contract.

Actually, you are wrong again:

"Despite Fielding being the world champion and the fight being for his WBA super middleweight title, the 10 lb rehydration clause greatly favors the challenger Canelo"

https://www.boxingnews24.com/2018/10/10-lb-rehydration-clause-for-canelo-v-rocky-fielding/

There's another press conference with Eddie Hearn addressing the same issue. But yeah, must be a conspiracy

LOOOOOOL this is pathetic ... are you seriously saying Jacobs is making this **** up when Canelo has a history of demanding catchweights whenever possible?? They negotiated for the penatly fee for the poundage. But, more lies, I guess? Christ, this is pathetic.

 

I wonder what Shadow is gonna say when Jacobs comes in over the limit and he has to pay a penalty "Nuh-huh! Jacobs is lying! He doesn't have to pay that 300K to Oscar!!!"

 

Excellent points

 

The same excerpt from Aug 2017 states "Naturally, we would like to see both fighters participate in the second-day weigh-in for safety reasons". It's still an IBF rule, as it was implemented in Jacobs vs Derevyanchenko, they just don't mandate it anymore for unification. That doesn't means they don't encourage it. Anotherwords instead of demanding it out of both fighters, now they ask both sides to agree to one. They changed their whole rule on this to accomodate Jacobs who didn't participate in it vs GGG. And now Jacobs is complaining about it?

The existance of a contract with a weight restriction in it doesn't prove that Canelo himself had any say or insistence of there being a weight restriction. After all Canelo for many years has been accused of rehydrating too much, granted most of that was when he was a 154 lb fighter but he was accused of being 185 or 190 at times which if true is still 25 or 30 lbs more than 160 to where a same day weigh-in would restrict him as well. So at the very least, if you believe that it's a fact that Canelo wanted and pushed for a weight restriction in this fight then obviously those claims that Canelo was rehydrating to 185 or 190 lbs on fight night were greatly exaggerated otherwise he would not want to restrict himself of those lbs.

So you're belief is that "it's a fact" that Canelo wanted a weight restriction on Jacobs because Jacobs said so, the same guy who got the rule changed so the IBF doesn't mandate it anymore, despite Canelo saying in an interview that he had no say so in it, Canelo isn't even associated with the organization the IBF that has a weight restriction rule.

The 10 lb rehydration clause for Fielding doesn't prove that Canelo himself insisted on it then or now. Jim Lampley said the night of Canelo GGG 2 that moving forward same day weigh ins will become more mandatory throughout boxing. He never really elaborated on that but my expectation coming out of Canelo GGG 2 is that same day weigh-ins would become more prevalent moving forward.

I think most of this is a matter of interpretation, whether or not the fighter himself (Canelo) insisted on a rehydration clause or whether are they being pushed by the commision, or some organizations like the IBF on to the promoters and teams.

First of all Canelo doesn't have a history of "demanding" catchweights. He was a history of being in catch fights when other fighters would only fight him if he agreed to a catchweight. (Floyd, Cotto, Khan) Second catchweights are different than rehydration clauses and same day weigh-ins. Same day weigh-ins and weight restrictions are something that has traditionally come from the IBF, and Canelo isn't representing that organizsation, Jacobs is.

So if you ask me what I think, I think that Jacobs was told by his team that Golden Boy added that stipulation, probably Golden Boy was asked if they would participate in a same day weigh-in by the IBF as the IBF traditiionally likes to do, and Golden Boy agreed, then Team Jacobs got sent the contract and asked them to agree to it as well. We know Jacobs has a history of not liking the IBF same day weigh-in but he did one in his last fight vs Derevyanchenko so the IBF probably thought if he did it for Derevyanchenko why wouldn't he agree to one vs Canelo? Jacobs Team may have interpreted it as GB putting a weight restriction in the contract but they know from experience that the IBF historically mandates them like they did for his last fight vs Derevyanchenko. GB may have agreed to do it, but that doesn't mean that Canelo himself insisted in it or even had anything to do with it since it's historically an IBF mandate. GB may have requested one for Fielding, or maybe it was more to what Lampley was talking about last September about them becoming more common. I don't know about that, but all I know is that none of this is a fact, and just because Jacobs said something he heard form his team doesn't make it a fact. He may believe it, just like you believe GGG beat Canelo or any of the stuff you believe, Doesn't make it a fact or true it's what somebody wants to believe.