The Reputation of Lennox Lewis?

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by Rumsfeld, Sep 18, 2010.


  1. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    How has it changed since his retirement?
     
  2. GazOC

    GazOC Guest Star for Team Taff Full Member

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    I think the 2 losses are seen in a "better" context as time passes but this happens with most fighters. Being ranked as a British fighter he's probably number 1 or 2 with Fitz no matter how harshly you judges the McCall and Rahman kos its only when you are ranking him ATG alongside heavyweights like Ali, Louis, Holmes etc that they become a real issue IMHO.
     
  3. Boxing Girl

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    improved IMHO

    People saw him as the champ, and now people don't know what to make of the heavyweight division. His achievements are more appreciated now, then they were when he was champ.
     
  4. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    So if I'm reading you correctly, you're saying it's improved slightly in that he's been sort of "forgiven" for his two one-punch KO losses?

    Personally, from my perspective, I never held those losses against Lennox. He did, after all, avenge them both.

    When I conducted my heavyweight survey I had Lennox ranked at #7 on my list (behind Ali, Louis, Holmes, Marciano, Johnson, and Foreman).

    When the final results were calculated, Lewis actually wound up finishing #5 on the overall heavyweight list (which surprised me a bit). That included contributions from 80 posters in the Classic section.

    To me, he's about the same as far as I view him--but I have noticed he gets more respect from others (or so it seems) since he's retired and he's now often referred to as "the last great heavyweight".

    I actually think what's happening with Wlad right now is quite similar to what was happening with Lennox to some extent.
     
  5. Rumsfeld

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    Yeah. I think so, too.

    However, even before Lennox finished, I thought he was firmly established as a top ten heavy and I don't think he's improved much in my estimation.

    I sure do miss watching his fights, though.

    Lennox was always fun to watch, even when he was involved in fights that were more on the "tactical snoozer" side.
     
  6. robpalmer135

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    Lennox gets big respect for avenging both his losses.

    First off all, everyone like to look back with rose tinted specs and remembers things from a few years ago as better than today. But in this case there correct.

    If there had been a couple of decent Heavyweight after him I am sure he wouldn't be held in such high regard but he is seen as the last great Heavyweight. Wlad Klitscko is just to boring so it goes against him plus he has losses to poor oppo which hurt his legacy. Vitali,no fault of his own has not faced anyone decent. Both brothers are missing career defining wins which mean they will never be considered top tier like Lennox.

    Thats going of in a bit of a tangent but to sum it up Lennox reputation is more respected now than it was because he retired on top and nobody has replaced him.

    The next great British Heavyweight......Anthony Joshua.
     
  7. jdawg

    jdawg Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think he gets more respect than when he was fighting, more due to the fact he wasnt appreciated ENOUGH pre-retirement ie getting the right amount of appreciation now. Lennox wasnt given due credit because of his tactical, caution 1st style that didnt appeal to some viewers particularly in the states I believe who have a history of exciting heavyweight legends (oh how times have changed :-( ) The Klitschko's might to some degree might have the same raise in respect when they retire, because boring or not they are the best in the division
     
  8. Betty Swollocks

    Betty Swollocks James 'Lights Out' Toney Full Member

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    Lewis was a betting outsider against both Golota and Gary Mason. And Razor Ruddock, but that one less surprising.

    I think Lewis is seen in a less favourable light these days, considering his expliots in the ring and since been eclipsed by other great British heavies like David Haye and Audley Harrison.
     
  9. jdawg

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    Spot on, gold medal 2012 for me. Also what Lennox was able to do avenging both his losses is very rare and impressive, particularly in the fashion that he was able to do it. He beat everyone he had to to be undisputed no.1 heavyweight on the planet. Negatively he fought Tyson and Holyfield past his best and couldnt get the bowe fight which woulda been massive. But nevertheless a poor out of shape Lewis still was beginning to boss Vitali when the stoppage came and look how good a win that looks now.

    1 of my fave all time fighters Lewis and good to see him getting his just desserts
     
  10. Ilesey

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    Yes, no doubt.

    I think he's left a big void that both Klitschko brothers have not filled.

    I watched his fights against Morrison and Merder ther other day and he looked a million dollars - yep - even against Mercer when he had to tough it out when he critics said he couldn't. I think he was great for the sport and his reputation has enhanced since he retired.
     
  11. robpalmer135

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    lol might as well close the poll. Like asking the Brits if we have had a cup of team today.
     
  12. kosaros

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    Don't be putting too much pressure on the lad! :D

    As for the thread question, no doubt his reputation has increased.
     
  13. Rumsfeld

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    A lot of people just point to the Holyfield and Tyson fights, but when I think of Lewis, five fights jump to mind for me (in no particular order):

    * Golota (was considered a beast after he twice battered Bowe and Lewis made quick work of him)
    * Ruddock (was favored to win the four man heavyweight tournament that never was, and Lewis bludgeoned him)
    * Tua (was perceived as a real threat at the time, and thoroughly outclassed)
    * Rahman rematch (to overcome the type of KO loss he suffered with an even more devastating KO while remaining totally relaxed and confident and showing absolutely no psychological affects from their first encounter)
    * Grant (a lot of people laugh this one off, but Grant was undefeated, was touted as the next best thing, and had overcome adversity in a come from behind win agains Golota, and Lewis basically walked through him)

    I may be forgetting something more impressive off the top of my head, but these five victories were all very impressive as far as I was concerned at the time.
     
  14. robpalmer135

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    mate you heard what Joshua has done to Chisora and Fury in sparring......
     
  15. robpalmer135

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    yeh allot of people forget Ruddock was the favourite against Lennox.