The Rhythm Is Gonna Get You: The Hectic Frenetic Chaotic Controlled Madness That Is Jeff Horn.

CST80 · May 29, 2018

Serge said: ↑

You should be cleaning metal with all that **** not drinking it lol
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I've often had the same thought, and then I promptly ignore said thought, it tastes too damn good. Kind of like I do every meat of all kinds.

Serge · May 29, 2018

CST80 said: ↑

I've often had the same thought, and then I promptly ignore said thought, it tastes too damn good. Kind of like I do every meat of all kinds.
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Same goes for this stuff. I used to drink it when I wanted to get hammered, which despite me going out 5 or 6 times a week and drinking regularly (back in my drinking days), I rarely ever did. But occasionally I would head down to a bar with the intention of getting totally wasted and I'd down about 10 shots of it lol. It just doesn't taste like something that should be entering your body at all lol

https://www.drinksupermarket.com/aftershock-blue-cool-citrus-mint-liqueur-70cl

Bustajay · May 29, 2018

CST80 said: ↑

I've tried several variations of that, I tend to be a fanatic when it comes to all things coffee, mocha or cappuccino related, I tried most everything new I come across.

This is a personal favorite of mine.
https://www.walmart.com/ip/New-Engl...035&wl11=local&wl12=15754374&wl13=800&veh=sem
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$4.94 !!!! I’m down with that

thesmokingm · May 29, 2018

Badbot said: ↑

"At least 20"??? You know nothing about weigh in boxing.
Pacquiao is known to be 150 on fight night. There is no way Horn is 167 pounds. That would make him the same size Hopkins was during his MW reign. (168 on most nights).
According to you, Jeff Horn is bigger than Marvin Hagler
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150 lbs which is 3lbs over the limit? What does that prove? Horn is a pretty big guy. His upper body is filled out and his legs are not twigs. I'd definitely lean towards him being around 165.

Badbot · May 29, 2018

thesmokingm said: ↑

150 lbs which is 3lbs over the limit? What does that prove? Horn is a pretty big guy. His upper body is filled out and his legs are not twigs. I'd definitely lean towards him being around 165.
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165 would be a heck of an achievement. 18 pounds is hard weigh to drop. Ask Chavez Jr.
Vic Ortiz himself is 5´9 and 164 lbs. (at least back in 2011) And Horn doesn't look as big.

Horn didn't look big vs Corcoran, Fuenko or Bailey.
Only reason Horn looked huge is because Manny is a midget and weighs 150. Horn likely is close to 160 and realistically, they are a weight class apart.

Btw, Manny moved to 147 back in 2009. Horn made his debut in 2013.

RingKing75 · May 29, 2018

CST80 said: ↑

I keep seeing the same refrain thread after thread on here about Mr. Jeffrey Horn, that he's some kind of haphazard sloppy skill less bum, and quite frankly I'm getting sick of it. So I figured I'd do this little thread here to clear up some glaring misperceptions people seem to have about the elite level The Horny One is operating on. Not sure why so many people seem oblivious to Jeff's sublime skillset, maybe they aren't processing what they're seeing correctly, maybe what they're seeing is above their pay grade, maybe they just don't know **** about Boxing. Or maybe all the people who espouse all this nonsense about what the "sweet science" is or isn't, only see what they want to see, as in, anyone who comes to fight and is a tad bit aggressive is relegated to the short bus full of dunderheaded come forward troglodytic plodding cavemen. Well... its a pity they don't broaden their understanding of the sport, because they don't know what they're missing, and its not that hard to see, all they have to do is look... well, look closely. Once they see it, they can't unsee it, it becomes as obvious as the nose on their face.

Disclaimer: I have pretty bad OCD, the real and unhip painful kind, and this part of my OCD is almost involuntary, I analyze almost everyone and everything, incessantly, I pick up on patterns, rhythms and inconsistencies very easily. Which in some ways gives me the upper hand over people who just go with the flow and shut their brains off. I've never had that luxury, not even when I sleep. It always helped me in understanding this sport on a far more intricate level than many, not to say I get it more than others, many might see stuff that I miss, but whatever... I've turned that particular negative of mine into a positive. Now onto seeing what I see, that others often don't.

Rhythm as I've pointed out in my Kovalev, Lomachenko and Calzaghe threads, is one of if not the most important aspects in the game, that sadly most fighters fail to comprehend, and it never crosses their mind to develop a unique rhythm of their own. Counter punchers rely heavily on their reflexes and timing, which they hone for years, and once they get that worked out and down pat, most opponents they'll face will be easy money. Because most fighters have a similar internal and usually quite repetitive rhythm that never changes, once you've seen one, you've seen them all. Sadly since no one ever sits them down and properly explains to them the concept, they'll never fully understand what they're lacking and the needed improvements and adjustments to make against future opponents to get the job done. So they will walk into the same counter over and over again, like a broken record playing those same 2 or 3 notes repeatedly, incapable of making the preciously needed adjustment.

So.. onto Horn. I picked Horn to beat Pacquiao precisely due to his absolutely insane rhythm. I had the benefit of actually knowing who Horn was before the fight, I'd sat up and done a few RBR's for his fights at 6am in the morning, and had seen roughly 5 or 6 of his fights. But sometimes even I can get lazy, while I recognized that Horn was awkward when doing the RBR's, a few weeks after the Pac match was announced I decided tp revisit a few of those matches to take a much closer look. And after watching a little more closely, I picked Horn without hesitation, I knew he was a stylistic nightmare for Manny, that Arum, Top Rank, Roach and the Pacman himself were completely oblivious to. They had no idea the sly all knowing trap that Horn had laid for them, and they took the bait, hook line and sinker.

Jeff's in ring style is like a Boxing version of Chaos Theory, a tiny little subtle movement here and there is all he needs to completely offset the timing of his opponents and with it, their entire gameplan. And they never see it coming and fail to comprehend why they're having such issues with him. He's constantly chaotically, frantically moving, in a manner not dissimilar to Manny himself, not only his feet and his head, but at times his entire body, constantly shifting and bouncing up and down, to the left and right and in and out repeatedly, never attacking in a straight line, or taking the same route twice. Sometimes he circles to the left away from Manny's power hand, winging in an awkward unseen left hook his opponents can't adequately prepare for. Sometimes he makes a stutter step to the right, shifting his head just out of range while lunging in with his straight right. Then when the notion strikes him, his offense becomes his defense, as he juts in in a straight line behind a barrage of compact rapid fire one twos, most of them feints, done for the expressed intention of successfully cutting the distance and getting on the inside, and getting his opponent to keep their hands at home. Once on the inside, his opponent is so mentally overwhelmed at how easily he got in their grill, they believing they're in immediate danger, shell up, while he lands a volley of body shots, when they get comfortable with him on the inside, and try to counter him, he simply parries and rolls with their incoming fire, sometimes with his entire body and slithers out the side door away from their power hand.

Its all intentional, he's setting a damn near impossible to time chaotic rhythm, its controlled madness, the only person in the ring who knows what he's going to do next is Jeff. Another thing that is easily missed by many is that he's also an excellent counter puncher, a taunting baiting counter puncher, who uses his excellent reflexes to his advantage marvelously, putting his head out there as a not so available target, since its always just out of range to entice guys into committing to a punch, and on his way out of the door, he lands a pull counter on them, that they never see coming. His unorthodox mind is processing a nonlinear continually mutating masterplan that his opponents don't even have no concept of how to decode or unlock.

Also, his defense is deceptively brilliant, he's like a ****d up hairless mongoose in there, or a greased eel, he gyrates, slithers and rolls his entire body away from shots, while blocking the incoming fire from the other side with his arms, shoulders, elbows and back, incessantly slipping and sliding while keeping his body pressed as close to their as possible to smother any attempts at offense. At times he looks like a slowed down version of Neo when he splits into the multiple man version of himself. On top of that, he has a little Ward in him as well, he's like an 10 armed octopus, smothering, strong arming and blocking everything he sees them attempt, his entire body is aware and each part at times seems to have a mind of its own, independently processing what each part has to do to block or flat out hold down next. Then of course we can't forget about how rough he is, he uses every advantage at his disposal to get the job done, he'll lead with his head, forearms, shoulders, and that's his opponents problem to deal with. He clubs, pounds, scratches, claws, headbutts, roughhouses, throws, anything to offset the rhythm and keep them befuddled, bewildered and flabbergasted.

The reason people seem to think he's a terrible boxer, is because they can't pin him down or tie him to a particular style, and that's exactly what Horn wants, because he doesn't have one. Being what appears to be a mess is his intent. He's a pugilistic chameleon, sometimes adjusting and cycling through 3 or 4 styles per round, he can be the out boxer relying on his jab, the backfoot counter puncher, a Maravilla like aggressive counter puncher, a swarmer, a pressure fighter, he's a slugger, a volume puncher, a body puncher, a brawler and even a toe to toe slugger if need be. Most importantly he is the walking talking embodiment of a rhythm breaker, his entire style is predicated on that and that alone, his rhythm is so hectic, frantic, frenetic and nonlinear, its borderline impossible for anyone to mentally process how to get the timing of, because his rhythm is basically cyclothymic, or bi-polar, its always shifting, his movement is never linear, there is absolutely nothing that is predictable about Jeff Horn. He's functioning in his own little world in there, concocting a masterwork that no one can fully understand or process until the final bell rings, trapping his opponents in his web of chaos, offsetting their rhythm every time he offsets his, he frazzles his opponents mentally, overwhelms them and ultimately short circuits them causing them to mentally unravel. Because they have no idea what to do next, because they have no idea what he's going to do next, and that's just the way The Hornet wants it.

Jeff Horn is the amalgamation of every awkward style known to man, its unmitigated arrhythmic schizophrenic chaos, he is a pugilistic madman, painting a distorted maniacal masterpiece in a chamber in his mind, that no one has the key for. In other words, he's every fighters worst nightmare.

How can adequately prepare yourself to get the rhythm of an improvisational virtuoso who jarringly shifts their rhythm every few seconds with every move they make, and every breath they take? The answer is... you can't.

Now does that sound like an easy opponent to you?

I'm pretty sure this article was every bit as hectic and frantic as Jeff Horn's in ring style. Was that intentional?

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You have far too much time on your hands. Horn will be exposed for the bag of mediocrity he is against Crawford.

J Jones · May 29, 2018

VG_Addict said: ↑

Sometimes a less skilled fighter can beat a much more skilled fighter because of his physical advantages, or his awkward style.
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You’re correct. Case in point, Mayorga vs Forrest.

Badbot · May 29, 2018

J Jones said: ↑

You’re correct. Case in point, Mayorga vs Forrest.
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Baldomir vs Judah is also a really good one.

thesmokingm · May 29, 2018

RingKing75 said: ↑

You have far too much time on your hands. Horn will be exposed for the bag of mediocrity he is against Crawford.
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It's going to depend on the ref though. If its a clean fight, Crawford easily. It's a dirty fight, its going to be a long night.

CST80 · May 29, 2018

RingKing75 said: ↑

You have far too much time on your hands. Horn will be exposed for the bag of mediocrity he is against Crawford.
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I wasted an hour on this, should I go out and get shitfaced drunk in an all night bender instead? We all have our hobbies, why is mine of any concern to you? And why does it bother you so much?

What if Horn doesn't prove to be a "bag of mediocrity" and actually manages to beat Bud? And once again, when the **** did I say Horn was going to beat Bud? I'm still undecided, but one thing I'm not undecided on, people are viewing this match in a far too lackadaisical manner. Horn just beat Manny Pacquiao, let me spell this out to you very clearly, Manny Pacquiao beats everyone Crawford has on his resume with dominant ease, if Pacquiao fought Postol and Diaz, Bud's two best wins, he'd be mocked mercilessly by everyone on here, as a cherry picker. Horn just beat up a guy who beat Jessie Vargas and Tim Bradley without breaking a sweat. This wasn't a shot to hell shell of the Pacman, Pac lost because Horn is a tricky awkward fighter, not because he "got old overnight".

Try wrapping your head around this one at least, Floyd Mayweather, TBE, master boxer, arguably lost to Marcos Maidana coming off of a win over Broner, at best the match was a draw, and this was a Mayweather that had been campaigning at 147 for years, precisely due to Maidana's kamikaze bat****, controlled chaos, violent, roughhousing style.

Yet you think its out of the realm of possibility that Crawford, who hasn't faced anything close to the caliber of opponents that Mayweather has to prepare him for a guy like Maidana, and hasn't been fighting men in this particular weight class which is a division above anything he's fought in to date, against a guy who's much larger, much better, much more skilled,heavier handed, better chin, natural 154lber version of Marcos Maidana, only one coming off of beating Pacquiao, not Broner. And you think this is easy work? How naive are you?

What if Bud's average power has so little effect that Horn literally manhandles him? Bud is only about an inch taller than Pac after all, skills pay the bills, skill pay the bills. I called Maidana's destruction of Broner, I called Granados destruction Imam, pressure busts pipes, and if Marcos can almost bust ATG Floyd's, Horn who's arguably better than Maidana can bust an untested smaller man moving up in weight, who... don't get it twisted, isn't Floyd Mayweather.

Tomato(e) Can · May 29, 2018

Badbot said: ↑

165 would be a heck of an achievement. 18 pounds is hard weigh to drop. Ask Chavez Jr.
Vic Ortiz himself is 5´9 and 164 lbs. (at least back in 2011) And Horn doesn't look as big.

Horn didn't look big vs Corcoran, Fuenko or Bailey.
Only reason Horn looked huge is because Manny is a midget and weighs 150. Horn likely is close to 160 and realistically, they are a weight class apart.

Btw, Manny moved to 147 back in 2009. Horn made his debut in 2013.
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Dude, Horn looks AT LEAST 20 pounds heavier than Pacquiao. AT LEAST. They look TWO divisions apart. Horn is taller, thicker, denser.

MidniteProwler · May 29, 2018

CST80 said: ↑

I keep seeing the same refrain thread after thread on here about Mr. Jeffrey Horn, that he's some kind of haphazard sloppy skill less bum, and quite frankly I'm getting sick of it. So I figured I'd do this little thread here to clear up some glaring misperceptions people seem to have about the elite level The Horny One is operating on. Not sure why so many people seem oblivious to Jeff's sublime skillset, maybe they aren't processing what they're seeing correctly, maybe what they're seeing is above their pay grade, maybe they just don't know **** about Boxing. Or maybe all the people who espouse all this nonsense about what the "sweet science" is or isn't, only see what they want to see, as in, anyone who comes to fight and is a tad bit aggressive is relegated to the short bus full of dunderheaded come forward troglodytic plodding cavemen. Well... its a pity they don't broaden their understanding of the sport, because they don't know what they're missing, and its not that hard to see, all they have to do is look... well, look closely. Once they see it, they can't unsee it, it becomes as obvious as the nose on their face.

Disclaimer: I have pretty bad OCD, the real and unhip painful kind, and this part of my OCD is almost involuntary, I analyze almost everyone and everything, incessantly, I pick up on patterns, rhythms and inconsistencies very easily. Which in some ways gives me the upper hand over people who just go with the flow and shut their brains off. I've never had that luxury, not even when I sleep. It always helped me in understanding this sport on a far more intricate level than many, not to say I get it more than others, many might see stuff that I miss, but whatever... I've turned that particular negative of mine into a positive. Now onto seeing what I see, that others often don't.

Rhythm as I've pointed out in my Kovalev, Lomachenko and Calzaghe threads, is one of if not the most important aspects in the game, that sadly most fighters fail to comprehend, and it never crosses their mind to develop a unique rhythm of their own. Counter punchers rely heavily on their reflexes and timing, which they hone for years, and once they get that worked out and down pat, most opponents they'll face will be easy money. Because most fighters have a similar internal and usually quite repetitive rhythm that never changes, once you've seen one, you've seen them all. Sadly since no one ever sits them down and properly explains to them the concept, they'll never fully understand what they're lacking and the needed improvements and adjustments to make against future opponents to get the job done. So they will walk into the same counter over and over again, like a broken record playing those same 2 or 3 notes repeatedly, incapable of making the preciously needed adjustment.

So.. onto Horn. I picked Horn to beat Pacquiao precisely due to his absolutely insane rhythm. I had the benefit of actually knowing who Horn was before the fight, I'd sat up and done a few RBR's for his fights at 6am in the morning, and had seen roughly 5 or 6 of his fights. But sometimes even I can get lazy, while I recognized that Horn was awkward when doing the RBR's, a few weeks after the Pac match was announced I decided tp revisit a few of those matches to take a much closer look. And after watching a little more closely, I picked Horn without hesitation, I knew he was a stylistic nightmare for Manny, that Arum, Top Rank, Roach and the Pacman himself were completely oblivious to. They had no idea the sly all knowing trap that Horn had laid for them, and they took the bait, hook line and sinker.

Jeff's in ring style is like a Boxing version of Chaos Theory, a tiny little subtle movement here and there is all he needs to completely offset the timing of his opponents and with it, their entire gameplan. And they never see it coming and fail to comprehend why they're having such issues with him. He's constantly chaotically, frantically moving, in a manner not dissimilar to Manny himself, not only his feet and his head, but at times his entire body, constantly shifting and bouncing up and down, to the left and right and in and out repeatedly, never attacking in a straight line, or taking the same route twice. Sometimes he circles to the left away from Manny's power hand, winging in an awkward unseen left hook his opponents can't adequately prepare for. Sometimes he makes a stutter step to the right, shifting his head just out of range while lunging in with his straight right. Then when the notion strikes him, his offense becomes his defense, as he juts in in a straight line behind a barrage of compact rapid fire one twos, most of them feints, done for the expressed intention of successfully cutting the distance and getting on the inside, and getting his opponent to keep their hands at home. Once on the inside, his opponent is so mentally overwhelmed at how easily he got in their grill, they believing they're in immediate danger, shell up, while he lands a volley of body shots, when they get comfortable with him on the inside, and try to counter him, he simply parries and rolls with their incoming fire, sometimes with his entire body and slithers out the side door away from their power hand.

Its all intentional, he's setting a damn near impossible to time chaotic rhythm, its controlled madness, the only person in the ring who knows what he's going to do next is Jeff. Another thing that is easily missed by many is that he's also an excellent counter puncher, a taunting baiting counter puncher, who uses his excellent reflexes to his advantage marvelously, putting his head out there as a not so available target, since its always just out of range to entice guys into committing to a punch, and on his way out of the door, he lands a pull counter on them, that they never see coming. His unorthodox mind is processing a nonlinear continually mutating masterplan that his opponents don't even have no concept of how to decode or unlock.

Also, his defense is deceptively brilliant, he's like a ****d up hairless mongoose in there, or a greased eel, he gyrates, slithers and rolls his entire body away from shots, while blocking the incoming fire from the other side with his arms, shoulders, elbows and back, incessantly slipping and sliding while keeping his body pressed as close to their as possible to smother any attempts at offense. At times he looks like a slowed down version of Neo when he splits into the multiple man version of himself. On top of that, he has a little Ward in him as well, he's like an 10 armed octopus, smothering, strong arming and blocking everything he sees them attempt, his entire body is aware and each part at times seems to have a mind of its own, independently processing what each part has to do to block or flat out hold down next. Then of course we can't forget about how rough he is, he uses every advantage at his disposal to get the job done, he'll lead with his head, forearms, shoulders, and that's his opponents problem to deal with. He clubs, pounds, scratches, claws, headbutts, roughhouses, throws, anything to offset the rhythm and keep them befuddled, bewildered and flabbergasted.

The reason people seem to think he's a terrible boxer, is because they can't pin him down or tie him to a particular style, and that's exactly what Horn wants, because he doesn't have one. Being what appears to be a mess is his intent. He's a pugilistic chameleon, sometimes adjusting and cycling through 3 or 4 styles per round, he can be the out boxer relying on his jab, the backfoot counter puncher, a Maravilla like aggressive counter puncher, a swarmer, a pressure fighter, a volume puncher, a body puncher, a brawler and even a toe to toe slugger if need be. Most importantly he is the walking talking embodiment of a rhythm breaker, his entire style is predicated on that and that alone, his rhythm is so hectic, frantic, frenetic and nonlinear, its borderline impossible for anyone to mentally process how to get the timing of, because his rhythm is basically cyclothymic, or bi-polar, its always shifting, his movement is never linear, there is absolutely nothing that is predictable about Jeff Horn. He's functioning in his own little world in there, concocting a masterwork that no one can fully understand or process until the final bell rings, trapping his opponents in his web of chaos, offsetting their rhythm every time he offsets his, he frazzles his opponents mentally, overwhelms them and ultimately short circuits them causing them to mentally unravel. Because they have no idea what to do next, because they have no idea what he's going to do next, and that's just the way The Hornet wants it.

Jeff Horn is the amalgamation of every awkward style known to man, its unmitigated arrhythmic schizophrenic chaos, he is a pugilistic madman, painting a distorted maniacal masterpiece in a chamber in his mind, that no one has the key for. In other words, he's every fighters worst nightmare.

How can adequately prepare yourself to get the rhythm of an improvisational virtuoso who jarringly shifts their rhythm every few seconds with every move they make, and every breath they take? The answer is... you can't.

Now does that sound like an easy opponent to you?

I'm pretty sure this article was every bit as hectic and frantic as Jeff Horn's in ring style. Was that intentional?

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I respect your insight on a lot of fighters but this time I think that you are way off. You are looking for something that's not there my friend. Horn sucks ass and he is going down.

Farmboxer · May 30, 2018

I hate to see Horn get killed, but I guess they will take him to the morgue after Crawford kills him........................legalized murder................

CST80 · May 30, 2018

Farmboxer said: ↑

I hate to see Horn get killed, but I guess they will take him to the morgue after Crawford kills him........................legalized murder................
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What the **** are you talking about? That **** was literally nonsensical, and completely classless, I expected better from you.

Baneofthegame · May 30, 2018

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Same goes for this stuff. I used to drink it when I wanted to get hammered, which despite me going out 5 or 6 times a week and drinking regularly (back in my drinking days), I rarely ever did. But occasionally I would head down to a bar with the intention of getting totally wasted and I'd down about 10 shots of it lol. It just doesn't taste like something that should be entering your body at all lol

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Aftershock of any kind along with Sourz have the exact same problem.

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