The Riddick Bowe who beat Holyfield in their first fight vs Lennox Lewis who beat

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Chris Warren, Oct 6, 2009.


  1. Unforgiven

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    Bowe was a big hitter. I dont think McCall was way bigger hitter at all.


    Yeah, and Bowe was undertrained, unmotivated and fu*ked by weight-loss or just overweight in every fight after 1992.
    He was never knocked out.

    No, it's 1992 Bowe v. 1999 Lewis. I am unsure who would win, to be honest.

    I think they both have the power to stop each other, as you do too. You said "In boxing anyone can be ko'd if caught by great shots." . Yes, that's true.
     
  2. lefthook31

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    I put that video up because 99% of the people on this forum have seen Bowe Holyfield and Bowe Golota and nothing else.
    That video showcases how technically sound and atheletic Bowe could be when he was in shape. He wasnt just a defenseless brawler like most seem to think. It had nothing to do with the "opponent"
     
  3. lefthook31

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    So you didnt hear Bowe say "so do it then" repeated times, while he was up in his face?
     
  4. PowerPuncher

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    1. A decent hitter not massive, which is Bowe's most impressive 1 punch KO? McCall despite a lack of skills blasted out Lewis, Maskeev, Akiwande - usually with 1 punch pretty much

    2. Agreed largely but I think Bowe was exposed a few times out, he was still young, outside of Holy/Golota he didnt even fight anyone as good as Rahman after '92

    3. Exactly, although I wouldnt actually say Lewis was prime in '99

    4. Yes I know they both have the power to stop each other. I'll go with the faster more athletic man, with the better jab, more accuracy and better power, ie Lennox
     
  5. PowerPuncher

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    Agree to an extent although that opponent wasnt going to display any of his defensive frailties, which he certainly had
     
  6. GDG

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    Don't be so simplistic, he's not going to say "please don't hit me Lennox" is he!?!? You need to read more into it than that!!!

    I can tell he's not keen on getting aggressive with Lewis. Why else say "you're not the man I though you were"?? That to me screams of a guy trying to temper the situation rather than ignite it!! Would you not agree??

    I'll stick to my guns and say Lewis UD.
     
  7. lefthook31

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    Please post a video of a fight where he did, pre Golota or Holy 3... Outslugging Holyfield in the first two fights doesnt constitute defensive lapses in my opinion.
     
  8. lefthook31

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    Thats fine, thats what this forum is for, your opinion, but knowing how Bowe was, and the things that went down in the olympics, (where Bowe and Lewis were somewhat close friends), I know Bowe was upset with Lewis for talking so much sh*t in the media. Besides Lewis thinking he saw fear in Bowe's eyes, I dont see any indication of it. Bowe stood his ground, and nothing that went down in the olympics would suggest Bowe should be scared of Lewis. The fight was somewhat even, and the fight was stopped premature in my opinion.
    Although not the same caliber of fighter, Jorge Luis Gonzalez did the same thing, beat Bowe in the amatuers, and during the entire fight promo he continuously tried to fight with Bowe and out psyche him throwing water glasses and making a ruckus talking sh*t. Bowe stayed fairly quiet during the entire melee and proceeded to destroy him in the fight.
     
  9. lefthook31

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    BTW, what would make him want to be aggressive after fighting 12 hard round with Holyfield.:lol: Lewis was the one sitting ringside in a suit. Lewis was the one saying he was going to knock him out. Bowe was the one who said ok do it then.
     
  10. GDG

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    I'm not saying you're wrong, of course we'll never really know.

    I just read something completely different from Bowe's persona in that interview than you did. Adding to that I always felt Lewis seemed extra confident around Bowe...almost as if he knew he could beat him. These things are as important as Lewis' chin when addressing this fight IMO.

    Finally, if it were me and I'd just beaten a great like Holyfield, it would annoy me more if someone like Lewis got in my face challenging me. See how FMJ almost lost his temper at Mosley.
     
  11. My2Sense

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    See his fights with Briggs and Tubbs then.
     
  12. godking

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    See any fight where he had to defend himself against a jab.

    Anyone claiming that Bowes defense was not horrendous is either blind or a liar.
     
  13. lefthook31

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    See what I mean. Noone knows **** about Bowe. When did he fight Briggs??
     
  14. lefthook31

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    You cant be 43-1 and have horrendous defense. Even if your chin is as good as Oliver Mcall's.
     
  15. Unforgiven

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    I dont think Bowe v. Tubbs shows Bowe had "horrendous defence" any more than Lewis's fights with Bruno and Mercer prove Lennox had no defence.

    I mean, seriously, Lewis ate plenty of jabs in his career, dropped his hands straight after getting hit in acts of defiance, and his head movement against Bruno, for example, was non-existent. His losses were the results of blatantly leaving himself wide open. But I guess some people reckon he was a heavyweight Willie Pep.

    I wouldn't say Lewis had "horrendous defence" though, but nor did Bowe. Both guys were clearly very hittable.