The RIGO investment is a lesson in Business learned the Hard Way

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  1. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Pacquiao didn't take risks? His entire career was predicated on mind numbing insane risks.

    Starting with Sasakal. He was one of the greatest flyweights in boxing history in his prime. Pacquiao was just a green malnourished teenager and he went to Thailand and knocked him out after being predictably out of his league and class at that point.

    On to Ledwaba. Took fight on 10 days notice against the best 122 pounder in the world in the middle of his prime. He had to leave the Phlippines and come to foreign world. And he was green and just beginning to even learn boxing. 40 to 1 underdog. Pacquiao destroyed him.

    On to Barrera. This was a top level p4p fighter in his prime who was supposed to make Pacquiao look like bar fighter. Wrong. Pacquiao destroyed him easy.

    On the Marquez. This was the biggest boogeyman in boxing. A supreme technician with power in his prime. A high risk low reward fighter if there ever was one. Pacquiao fought a draw.

    On to Morales. This was a top level p4p fighter who had never lost to anyone except the great Marco Antonio Barrera. Pacquiao lost 7-5.

    On to Cotto. A guy came up from light flyweight all the way up to 145 to fight a borderline p4p level fighter. Pacquiao stuns the world.

    On to Bradley. Pacquiao takes on arguably the best 140 pounder in the world in his prime despite Pacquiao being clearly past it. Pacquiao does it again.

    So how exactly is Pacquiao a low risk fighter???
     
  2. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    You wasted your time, I read your first question, you need to re-read my comment.
     
  3. TJ Max

    TJ Max Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wilder is perhaps a few fights from becoming a full fledged super star. It's just going to be difficult for him, due to the lack of opposition at heavyweight.

    He also still has a few flaws in his style, but his vulnerability will make his fights even more exciting.

    People love knock out artists. I think Wilder is entertaining as hell, but he needs to learn how to fight smaller guys and make some more adjustments defensively in the ring.
     
  4. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    You just said Pacquiao didn't take risks? Well he clearly did. He was going ape**** back in the day. He was fighting so many formidable fighters and throwing like 100 bombs a round.
     
  5. TJ Max

    TJ Max Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If Rigo "fights a guy who can compete with him," then he's taking a significant risk. He'll be rewarded for that risk.

    Taylor consistently took on challenges. Taylor was rewarded for his RISKS. Who didn't Taylor fight?

    Crawford is being hyped because of his potential. He also knocked out Gamboa, which was exciting.

    Crawford also knocked out the last guy he fought, which took risks. Crawford is a risk taker.

    If he takes on challenging fights and takes risks, he'll be rewarded.
     
  6. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    No I did not say that, I said he didn't take risks for the sake of entertainment. And I was referring to his style, not his opponent selection.
     
  7. tinman

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    His style? Well it was a high octane hard driving come forward at every moment style.

    It was a high risk style and a high reward style.

    He could have taken his foot off the gas in numerous fights. He just chose to destroy.
     
  8. alexthegreatmc

    alexthegreatmc Sound logic and reason. You're welcome! Full Member

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    You still think I'm calling Pac a low risk fighter, don't you? Lol
     
  9. KO KIDD

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    Rigo just seems to be held to an interesting standard. He was a big star beating Donaire but HBO quickly gave him the hook after Agbeko and seemed to put all the blame on him

    I wonder how much that last fight hurt his future with HBO or if ROC has enough muscle to get him back on HBO against their own wishes
     
  10. TJ Max

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    Honestly, even boxing fans that I talked to said Rigo was boring against Donaire. Personally, I thought it was a great performance, but you and I are boxing fans. Most people are sport's fans.

    They want action. There is an opportunity cost associated with watching a guy that doesn't provide any action. Not only is he not creating any opportunities, but he's also not allowing his opponent to create opportunities.

    The situation is exacerbated when a skilled fighter that fights with a risk free style is paired with an opponent that has no chance, not even a puncher's chance. It's up to the risk free fighter to take risks and take his opponent out in these situations.

    Lara apparently learned this, as he destroyed his last opponent. If Lara can continue to get rid of guys, I guarantee you that Lara's pay checks will start to go up because demand to see him will rise.

    What did Rigo do after he fought Donaire? Rigo couldn't get a fight. He couldn't get a fight because he wasn't worth the risk. If Rigo was a guy that went out there and knocked everyone out, he would bring a lot more to the table, and he wouldn't have as much trouble finding opponents because the pay day's would be worth it. Not only that, but his opponents might see that as an opportunity to win.

    Why would a guy want to go out there and chase a guy around the ring and get a loss for very little money? It's not worth it.

    The market rewards risks. That's the bottom line. And the market also forgets what you've done in the past. The market has a very short memory. The market is about what have you done lately?

    No fighter can escape that. It's not a racial thing like Ward suggests. He wants jam for nothing. The world doesn't work like that. He may take advantage of this situation because it's in vogue, but consumers aren't that stupid. They'll soon realize that Ward is taking them for a ride.
     
  11. KO KIDD

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    I agree with you that its not a race thing with Ward

    Ward has been given a lot of opportunities and big contracts and has done nothing with them

    I'm not a Ward fan but after beating Froch and then Dawson I was coming around to him
     
  12. The Akbar One

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    Racism? Rigs stinking the joint out last Saturday didn't have **** to do with Racism. But, while being promoted by Top Rank, it was clear that Rigondeaux was not matched in the same manner as say Nonito Donaire, and taking into account his size, it is puzzling. While Donaire was fed showcase guys like smaller face first Mexicans, Montiel, and Arce, who he spectacularly KO'd. Rigondeaux at 5'3 was fed giant 122 pounders like Marroquin, and Cordoba both 5'8, who outweighed him in the ring, and also had significant reach advantages over Rigs. Rigondeaux was ridiculed for his performance in both fights. I don't blame a guy five inches smaller and outweighed by 5 to 10 pounds in the ring for playing it safe. When Donaire was matched with bigger guys, although not giving up as much height or weight as Rigs, he stunk it up as well. Vazquez Jr., Mathebula, Walters. When Rigondeaux was matched with guys more his size, he looked real good, think, Casey, Ramos, Kennedy etc. When put in a fight he knew he had to really focus, he also performed well, in Giving Donaire the pumpkin face, and winning an easy decision. Again, people don't realize, he gave up 3 inches in height, and about 18 pounds in the Ring to Donaire, making it even more of a remarkable victory. Yea he did it one punch at a time, but if you saw Donaire's face backstage. He was really punished, a swollen grotesque mess. Then you have outings like Agbeko, I can't blame Rigs for that, Agbeko pulled a Clottey. I can blame Rigs for Francisco though. If you aren't in fighting shape, then don't take the fight. If you insist on taking a fight on a few days notice, then be prepared to showcase yourself. The match maker blew that one. Hopefully Roc Nation gets him a steady diet of face first Mexicans from now on. Bob Arum didn't promote Rigondeaux like he was trying to make him into a star. Most people don't know that, Arum was trying to match him with 5'9 Jonathan Romero as well, another guy who boxes from the outside. It would have made for another one of those Cordoba type fights. Why would you match a 5'3 technical boxer, with a 5'9 outside boxer? It's like he was trying to sabatage the career of Rigs instead of promoting him. Why not give Rigs the same diet as Donaire? Smaller men, face first Mexicans, retirees etc, if you are really trying to build him up. I think that is where part of the racism thing came in with Rigs. He is a darker complexion boxer, highly skilled and already older, yet he was not matched in a manner to try and build him up. He was matched oddly, then ridiculed for not blasting out guys significantly bigger than he was. I think the Francisco fight was just him being anxious and overzealous to get back in the ring. He should look much better as far as sharpness next time out. He is also probably Hopkins age, not 35.
     
  13. The Akbar One

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    A lot of boxing fans don't know **** about boxing if they blamed Rigondeaux for the Donaire fight not being a face first brawl. He actually stood in with Donaire many a time that night. If they had more cameras backstage post fight, people would see that Rigondeaux literally gave him a pumpkin face, one punch at a time. Donaire's grill was grotesquely swollen, and bruised, Rigs literally broke his face.

    I think Rigs stinking it up last Saturday had more to do with him being overzealous to get back in the ring. The way he was sucking wind in the corner after the first round you could tell he wasn't in fighting shape. He also wasn't sharp at all. Add to that questions about his age. Look for him to be devastating next time out, with a full camp, and prior knowledge of the opponent coming into the fight.
     
  14. Hi-Tek-Lomo

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    Did they really give that pedantic little SOB 10 million dollars?
     
  15. fatcity

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    Are we talking Roc Nation or Al Haymon's PBC?