The Ring belt on the line for Klitschko - AJ

dinovelvet · Nov 5, 2016

Unforgiven said: ↑

Why do you rate Wlad so highly?
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I actually don't rate him very highly at all , but he's in there at 1 and Wilder at 2.
Im just going by the official ring ratings. Holyfield dropped just one place after he lost to Lewis. Wlad should have to fight his way back into contention in my view.

lufcrazy · Nov 5, 2016

Nay_Sayer said: ↑

Well, that's the way it works. Nobody said it was perfect but, in theory, Fury can sit on the Lineal title for years. However, it's better than the confusion caused by the sanctioning mobs, like the WBA, who arbitrarily strip champions and parade around multiple titlists in the SAME division...
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Fury gave a statement saying he was no longer able to defend his championship but he hopes to challenge for it is he returns.

It was on the TBRB website.

lufcrazy · Nov 5, 2016

rossle said: ↑

You haven't followed boxing long have you @madballster?

Linear has nothing to do with what any magazine, website or sanctioning body say. It's linear and that's what it means, a line. Until Tyson is beaten he is the end of the line. The fact some of us are having to explain this is embarrassing for this forum.
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Then didn't the line end with Tunney?

Is Pacquaio still WW champion now?

lufcrazy · Nov 5, 2016

Unforgiven said: ↑

He vacated the belts rather than go through sanctioning body politics. He even stated that he wants the "champion in recess" treatment from those organizations so he can get to fight for those belts when he returns.
He is the lineal champion still.
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He won't be the first champ to give up his claim and fight for it again soon after.

Pacquaio was WW champ, he retired but came back almost immediately.

The only fair way to do it is to treat the announcements as gospel and deal with whatever happens when it happens.

Fury says he can no longer defend his championship is a vacation imo and the opinion of the TBRB. The next two available contenders for now are Wlad and Povetkin. Do I necessarily agree with everything they do? No but I am willing to bow down to their opinion because it's more educated than my own.

kriszhao · Nov 5, 2016

Nay_Sayer said: ↑

NO.

Not even close.

Did Fury ever announce that he was retired?
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actually yes he announced his retirement several times.

Exposed15 · Nov 5, 2016

Hov said: ↑

I disagree with that. He earned it. Anthony Joshua didn't ask to fight Charles Martin, AJ and his team was content on waiting for a title shot and gaining more experience. Charles Martin called AJ out after winning the belt fair and square. Glazkov was injured but the belt can't be held up for an entire year until he heals up. AJ only decided to accept the fight at the last minute because they realized that you have to take an opportunity when it's given to you. Of course AJ would fight anyone but he was a prospect and knew he had a lot of learning to do. He said that before he fought Charles Martin an continues to say that today. Charles Martin called out Joseph Parker and a bunch of other people around the division (in fact, Joseph Parker was offered the fight first). He even wanted a fight with Wilder but as we all know Wilder had to satisfy his mandatory and there was increasing pressure to do so. Wilder was going to fight Povetkin. Joseph Parker turned down the fight. Anthony Joshua accepted it and won the belt.

Yall can't say you want fighters to fight the best and then be mad that Charles did exactly that. He called out all the best fighters and prospects. AJ was the only one who accepted. You also can't say stripping Fury was wrong because look what happened with Fury. Fury would have relinquished the belt or have been stripped anyway so AJ would have never been able to take the title from Fury. He would have fought for a vacant belt either way. Are Parker and Ruiz being gifted the WBO belt? No! The winner earns it.

Being gifted something or having your success gifted to you means you had an advantage over everyone else. It means that you didn't have to work as hard as others to get the same opportunity to achieve your accomplishments as your peers. It means you were afforded benefits and privileges that other people were not. It means that you were given preferential treatment and shown favoritism. Parker and a bunch of other heavyweights had an opportunity to fight Charles Martin but refused. AJ wasn't moved up the rankings or anything. He wasn't the mandatory to fight Charles Martin. Martin did not have to fight him. Glazkov was the number 1 ranked fighter in the IBF rankings and he was the fighter who had first dibs on the opportunity to fight for the vacant belt. He lost to Martin. Martin then called AJ out because he didn't think Joshua could beat him. Joshua took the belt from Martin by knocking him out, it wasn't gifted to him. He was not gifted a title shot either.
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He was gifted his Olympic medal on home town decisions. Gifted a title v a poor fighter who knew he hit the jackpot by winning a vacant title on a default and wanted to cash out ASAP. And gifted huge PPV cash on nothing but hype on beating up scrubs.

Blackclouds · Nov 5, 2016

If AJ beats Molina then beats Wlad then I'll give him the #1. Right now it's about who you're beating in the top 5 in the heavyweight division when talking about the #1 spot.

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