The RING devalues it´s Championship - another sign of it´s decline?

You are using a very general () meaning of general. In Jones' case, timing was cruel for him. Hill/Maske was announced before Jones verses McCallum, despite McCallum/Jones happening a day before Hill/Maske. Which I believe your argument should appreciate as thus a generally recognized champion was created when Hill won.

I think you would better pointing out Erdei in your discussions, who still is technically linear champ at 175. Thus showing a legitimate flaw in that system, which Briggs, Foreman et al were not.

 

The end product is the same. Jones was seen as the real champion. Holy in 97 was.

Lineage is moot in today's climate.

Has one lhw recently said "i will not consider myself champion until I beat erdei" has anyone in the media offered a similar sentiment?

Lineage is mythical and unnecessary today.

You can be as disgruntled as you wish, but it is what it is. Pretty much every man and his dog considers dawson lhw champ. You'd be hard pressed finding anyone who considers erdei the reigning defending lhw champ.

 

I think you have a better case for Dawson, but it simply does not wash for Jones. Hill was champ and he lost to Michalczewski, and for whatever reason Jones choose not to fight the Pole...

 

That's the thing, it did wash for jones. He might not have been the "tbooze general linear champion" nor the "wbo champion" but he held just about every other belt and sat atop just about every ranking system and he was the consensus champion of the division.

Your emotional involvement is interesting and I imagine it is an opinion you struck since becoming a regular poster on this forum. At the point i'm fairly confident that you, like many others, found no reason to doubt jones's championship status.

 

I would love to think the TBooze Lineage is THE default boxing measure!

Reading back on some Boxing News', Rings and KOs of the time, it was standard to have Hill as the number one. That would be where I get influenced. The Internet is such a mesh of opinions, the thing is to try and be original and define yourself against the establishment, such as calling Jones number one, which simply was not the case at the time:

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Well apparently the tbooze champion and the general champion aren't always one and the same!

Noone is denying hill was number 1. What is being denied is the relevance of "the man who beat the man" in the year 2000 hardly anyone disputed jones's title claim. Even dm himself considered jones the real champion!

 

You have a major project where you identify "the premiere fighter" in every division of every year since your great grandfather was born.

We have gone round and round enough about my project that identifies what I call "The True Successions" but we can both agree that ideally, the best fighter in the division is also the premiere fighter in the division.

Given that, how can you justify The Ring's *asinine* new policy where the #2 guy can fight the #5 guy and take what used to be the only title worth a damn?

 

Yeah ideally it would be the case, I completely agree!

If 1 is fighting bums and ducks number 2, whilst 3 and 4 are unavailable I could probably buy into it. I'd have to see it in action before making a judgement.

All they've done is open the door to filling more vacancies. Like most things we'll just have to judge it case by case.

 

I don't agree with some of the new rules.

A Championship should be decided by 1 vs. 2 or 1 vs. 3.

But I'm OK with stripping if a Champ doesn't defend his title in some time.

In the current era, and since the 80's, lineage is moribund. ****in Shannon Briggs wasn't really THE heavyweight champion.

 

:good

 

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the ring has jumped the shark by the looks of it

article by a rating panels member who recently resigned

 

See below.

 

glad you posted this. i never post here anymore but i wanted to see if anyone else was as pissed as i am. from a fans viewpoint, the "ring" belt had some legitimacy to it, until now. what a mistake. the #2 vs #5 fighters can fight for the title? makes no sense.

the ring wants to fill it's weight class title vacancies so they change the championship rules, but now they actually vacate the pound for pound #1 ranking. wtf??

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Why fool around?

Here's another article on what The Ring has done...

http://www.thesweetscience.com/news/articles/14560-occupy-the-ring

 

Read it yesterday. Good article, Stonehands. :good