The Ring magazine "Battle Of the Legends" Mythical matches.

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  1. Robbi

    Robbi Marvelous Full Member

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    September, 1991.

    Lightweight: Carlos Ortiz v Pernell Whitaker

    Tony Curtis (matchmaker): Ortiz via decision.
    Gil Clancy (trainer and TV analyst) Ortiz, TKO 13.
    Jackie McCoy (trainer) Ortiz via decision.

    October, 1991.

    Middleweight: Marcel Cerdan v Marvin Hagler

    George Kanter (manager): Cerdan via decision.
    Harry Markson (former MSG president) Hagler via decison.
    Jake LaMotta (former fighter) Cerdan via decision.

    May, 1991.

    Light-heavyweight: Matthew Saad Muhammad v Vivtor Galindez

    Eddie Mustafa Muhammed (former fighter) Muhammad via 15th round stoppage.
    Ron Kantz (matchmaker) Galdinez via late TKO.
    Marvin Johnson: Galdinez via stoppage KO 11th or 12th.

    July, 1991.

    Junior featherweights: Wilfredo Gomez v Jeff Fenech

    Tim Ryan (CBC announcer) Gomez by TKO.
    Jay Edon (former referee) Fenech via decision.
    Harold Lederman (judge) Gomez 5th round KO.

    August, 1991.

    Heavyweights: Jack Dempsey v Rocky Marciano

    Don Dunphy (announcer) Marciano via KO 3rd or 4th.
    Bill Cayton (manager) Marciano via decision.
    Marty Cohen (promoter) Dempsey via decision.

    June, 1990.

    Bantamweights: Ruben Olivares v Jeff Chandler

    Don Chargin (promoter) Olivares via late TKO.
    Bob Yalen (consultant for ABC-TV) Olivvares late TKO.
    Jackie McCoy (trainer) Olivvares via TKO 6-8 rnds

    October, 1990.

    Welterweights: Jose Napoles v Sugar Ray Leonard

    Emanuel Steward (trainer) Leonard via decision.
    Bennie Georgino (manager) Leonard decision or late TKO.
    Teddy Brenner (matchmaker) Napoles via decision.

    February, 1991.

    Welterweights: Emile Griffith v Pipino Cuevas

    Benny Georgino (manager) Griffith via TKO in the 10th.
    Harold Weston jnr (former fighter) Griffith via stoppage in 10th or 11th.
    Alex Wallau (TV anlayst) Griffith via late TKO or decision.

    March, 1991.

    Welterweights: Henry Armstrong v Roberto Duran

    Art Rust jnr (historian) Duran via decision.
    Don Dunphy (announcer) Armstrong via KO in the 5th.
    Marty Cohen (promoter) Armstrong decision.

    December, 1991.

    Welterweights: Kid Gavilan v Wilfred Benitez

    Lou Duva (trainer) Gavilan via decision.
    Bill Mazer (broadcaster) Gavilan via decision.
    Bob Lee (IBF president) Gavilan via decision.

    June, 1993.

    Cruiserweight: Michael Spinks v Evander Holyfield

    Dwight Qawi (former fighter) Holyfield via stoppage in the 10th.
    Johnny Bos (matchmaker) Spinks via decision.
    Cedric Kushner (promoter) Holyfield via stoppage in the 8th or 9th.
     
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  2. Flea Man

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    Very interesting.

    Dunphy sure as Hell saw a lot of fights but his prediction for Armstrong Vs Duran is terrible.

    Great to see Mustafa's pick for Saad Vs Galindez :yep
     
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  3. Robbi

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    Yeah, thats a surprise that one. No question.
     
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  4. Flea Man

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    Hank could feasibly win a decision, don't get me wrong.
     
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  5. McGrain

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    Some really weird predictions there.
     
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  6. Flea Man

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    Olivares Vs Chandler sounds about right though.
     
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    Cerdan to beat Hagler!
     
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  8. Flea Man

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    Mental. Some people are still caught up in the Cerdan mystique now!

    We've seen footage of him, he goes at Marv' like he did shot Zale and he gets merc'd.
     
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    After he gets pulled by his corner in the tenth, Marvin makes Cerdan go back to the dressing room and bring him naked pictures of his wife.
     
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  10. Robbi

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    I think about 85% of these are accurate and very fair. However, you're always going to get some strange ones.
     
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  11. greynotsoold

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    LaMotta fought Cerdan, which would, I think, give him some credibility in assessing his ability beyond being "caught up in the mystique."
     
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  12. Flea Man

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    Still not much to go on. Or shot Holman Williams. No one gives a **** for Lytell do they? But Cerdan is more 'glamorous'.

    Cerdan still gets grossly overrated, in top tens and was even in Boxing News' Top 100 P4P greats.

    Yes, I would say most don't have a good grasp on him.
     
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  13. turbotime

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    Ortiz stopping Pea eh...
     
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  14. Flea Man

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    Look at the year the fight was mooted.

    All they had to go on was Pea being dropped by Uncle Rog'. Not the durability he later displayed up at welter and junior middle.
     
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  15. Flea Man

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    That's not what I meant. I've watched the other available footage of Cerdan as well. Regardless of the choice of tactics, I can see he simply isn't as good as Marvin Hagler.

    You seriously think the first Antufermo fight was a draw?

    Roldan was hardly Margarito in his approach was he? He was a lummox of an Argie stylist granted, but this kinda' result means little considering I didn't say Hagler would destroy him in so many rounds. I don't see a stoppage in this fight at all.

    I'm not saying Cerdan wasn't brilliant either. He just isn't a great top tier middleweight like Marv' is, and doesn't seem to have any stylistic advantage. It's a no-brainer, Hagler would kick his ass, and beat Les Darcy as well.
     
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