The Ring Magazine have updated their P4P list. Andre Ward is now the #1 P4P fighter in the world

Considering they go by OFFICIAL decisions and not fans' feelings, I'd say solid list.

 

Why not he won that fight You've got intense hatred for GGG for some reason. What is it ??

 

I knew Andre Berto could always do it...finally he is vindicated.

 

Because the definition of a controversial fight is one in which the opinion of the official judges clashes with what the majority saw in the ring.

Why act like you can't understand my ratings? You were addressing my reasoning when this started, man.

Interesting, you claimed you scored it a draw twice but you still have Kovalev winning by a point. You do remember the knockdown, right? So you awarded three tight rounds to Ward that could have gone to either man, yet he still lost on your card. That's not very close. That's giving a guy every benefit of the doubt and the numbers still not adding up to his favor.

 

The definition of a controversial fight is one where there is divided opinion In the public, your making it sound like the only people who Ward winning were the judges.

I don't think you have even shown me your ratings, I was saying your objection to the ring's p4p list was bizarre because your saying the ring magazine shouldn't have made these adjustments to the list as they demoted Gonzalez eventhough he lost controversially and promoted Ward because he won controversially.

I did score it a draw round 3 was a 10-10, I was just showing you that had almost a shut out from round 5 onwards.

 

Inoue has fought better opposition than Crawford. I wouldn't mind anyone saying he's higher than Lomachenko and Crawford on the P4P list (although I don't think he's better).

Let's go through the list:

1. 4th pro fight - a victory against a current consistent titleholder, at the age of 19, in http://boxrec.com/boxer/365362
2. World title holder at the age of 20 in his 6th pro fight.
3. Two weight world champion aged 21 in just his 8th pro fight against Omar Narvaez, a very top fighter and better than both a LW Gamboa and LWW Postol.
4. A win against David Carmona who proved he's a top fighter against Cuadras.
5. A win over Consistent belt holder in Kohei Kono.

 

No, Ward won because of he's the son of judges.

 

Ffs you think a 38 Naevarez is better than Postol and Gamboa both undefeated guys with proven wins on their resume?
Well if you think highly of Naevarez no wonder you rate the guys resume so highly. Carmona has 5 losses if Crawford beat someone with 5 losses you would say he beat a bum and you know it.

Show me the ambitious undefeated fighter that Inoue has fought? Not a washed old champion like Kono or Naevarez or tough gatekeeper like carmona. Where is the unification fight he has been involved, not to mention when Crawford gets his hands on Burns/indongo winner he will be undisputed the first undisputed champ since 11 years ago.

 

so kovalev is really number one, dont mind having ward second though.

 

Good list but GGG should be 10 or 11 and move everyone else up

 

Public opinion will never be unanimous, there will always be a fringe minority. Kovalev consistently has a 70% plus advantage, that's an overwhelming majority.

I was giving my thoughts on the matter. If RING wants to make a flawed list based on official results in a time of controversial decisions that is on them.

So of the 4 closet rounds you awarded 3 to Ward and called one a draw. That's even more interesting and bizarre.

No, you gave Rounds 6 and 10 to Kovalev.

Judge White and Pink both scored Rounds 5, 7-12 to Ward. Had they gave the 10th to Kovalev as he should have, Kovalev wins.

Judge Blue scored Rounds 5-11 to Ward. Had he gave the 6th and 10th to Kovalev as he should have, Kovalev wins.

This is bizarro judging that is difficult to defend. They got to a point where Ward was in a mathematical hole, and two Judges gave him all 5 final rounds despite several being very close and one being a clear Kovalev domination. The other denied Kovalev two very clear rounds, several close ones, and bizarrely gave the tight 12th to Kovalev to match the scores of his peers.

 

Foh lmfao...

 

There is unanimous verdict on a lot of fights, do you hear pretty much anyone saying Postol beat Crawford? close fights don't happen every week its usually alot of routines win and a few close ones, obviously this year has been the year for the underdogs but even then the underdogs tend to win conclusively.

How is that more interesting, maybe those rounds weren't as close as you had them, not saying that weren't close but coz you don't wanna give an opinion as to who won them doesn't mean others wont.

Yes I did give round 6 & 10 to Kovalev, what about the word 'nearly' a shut out is hard for you to understand. Kovalev gassed from about Rd 6. 7-12 was nearly all Ward except for round 10. My scorecard doesnt agree with the judges, but its closer than yours. Like i said I had it a draw so if some one had a point or two to Kovalev then fair enough and vice versa Ward, however I cant dont understand someone saying its a massive robbery when they had about 4 even rounds lol that dont make sense.

 

If a fight isn't a complete one sided demolition you are going to find varied opinions.

I gave an opinion of them.

You are stretching the term "nearly" because you want your scorecard to appear closer to the official judges then it really was, because you would then have to acknowledge the judges' cards are head scratching.

I must disagree. Round 9 was close and 12 was a toss up.

Your scorecard is closer in a superficial way.

Where as you simply have a Ward bias and gave him all the close rounds. The judges outright denied clear Kovalev rounds. There is no justification for their scoring logic.

Just because I can admit those rounds were close and didn't default them to my favorite fighter, doesn't mean I can't call a robbery a robbery.

 

Hmm why isn't Pacman on the list?