The Ring Magazine's Annual Ratings

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  1. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  2. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well, I've found these ratings already:happy

    HEAVYWEIGHTS 1991:

    1. Evander Holyfield
    2. Mike Tyson
    3. Riddick Bowe
    4. Razor Ruddock
    5. Ray Mercer
    6. George Foreman
    7. Tim Witherspoon
    8. Tony Tucker
    9. Lennox Lewis
    10. Michael Moorer



    HEAVYWEIGHTS 1997:

    1. Evander Holyfield
    2. Lennox Lewis
    3. Micheal Moorer
    4. Ray Mercer
    5. Tim Witherspoon
    6. George Foreman
    7. Shannon Briggs
    8. Ike Ibeabuchi
    9. David Tua
    10. David Izon
     
  3. DamonD

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    I was going to say, I know I had them noted at home so I could get them later...but you've got them anyway, so no problem!

    So David Izon made it into an annual top ten then, good for him. The good showing against Tua and knocking Savarese flat after his split-decision loss to Foreman I guess. The loss to Grant in early '98 derailed the Izon Train though...outlasting Derrick Jefferson in 2000 was his last hurrah I'd say.
     
  4. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Now I'll try to rank ATG Heavyweights, using these Rating.

    Lets start.
    Joe Louis was ranked as #1 HW during 12 years, he was ranked as TOP-3 HW 15 times and as TOP-10 HW 17 times.

    Rocky Marciano
    #1 - 4 times
    TOP-3 - 5 times
    TOP-10 - 6 times

    Sonny Liston
    #1 - 2 times
    TOP-3 - 5 times
    TOP-10 - 10 times

    Mohamed Ali
    #1 - 11 times
    TOP-3 - 17 times:shock:
    TOP-10 - 18 times

    Joe Frazier
    #1 - 3 times
    TOP-3 - 8 times
    TOP-10 - 10 times

    George Foreman
    #1 - 2 times (1973 and 1994 !!!)
    TOP-3 - 6 times
    TOP-10 - 13 times

    Larry Holmes
    #1 - 6 times
    TOP-3 - 8 times
    TOP-10 - 11 times

    Mike Tyson
    #1 - 2 times
    TOP-3 - 10 times
    TOP-10 - 13 times

    Riddick Bowe
    #1 - 2 times
    TOP-3 - 5 times
    TOP-10 - 7 times

    Evande Holyfield
    #1 - 6 times
    TOP-3 - 11 times
    TOP-10 - 15 times

    Lennox Lewis
    #1 - 5 times
    TOP-3 - 11 times
    TOP-10 - 13 times


    So, leaders are:

    #1:
    1. Louis - 12 times
    2. Ali - 11
    3-4. Holmes/Holyfield - 6
    5. Lewis - 5
    6. Marciano - 4
    7. Frazier - 3
    8-11. Liston/Foreman/Tyson/Bowe - 2


    TOP-3 HW:
    1. Ali - 17
    2. Louis - 15
    3-4. Holy/Lewis - 11
    5. Tyson - 10
    6-7. Frazier/Holmes - 8
    8. Foreman - 6
    9-11. Marciano/Liston/Bowe - 5


    TOP-10 HW
    1. Ali - 18
    2. Louis - 17
    3. Holyfield - 15
    4-6. Foreman/Tyson/Lewis - 13
    7. Holmes - 11
    8-9. Liston/Frazier - 10
    10. Bowe - 7
    11. Marciano - 6


    These ratings are based on statistics only,which can't show as an aura of invincibility of such fighters as Tyson, Foreman, Liston and other aspects, such as skill level, power, chin, stamina etc. But basing on statistics we can estimate longetivity, achievements (I mean, being considered as #1 HW in the is great achievement - it should be estimated higher, than winning "paper" title)
     
  5. Big Ukrainian

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    I agree, Shmelling, Walcott, Charles, Paterson & Norton should be ranked higher than Bowe in all-time list. But I got bored making the list, so if you want, you can add mentioned fighters to the list.
     
  6. ThinBlack

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  7. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Very good work. I wonder if anyone is able to update the boxrec database?
     
  8. TAC602

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    One thing people seem to gloss over with the Ratings is that the rankings for each year are actually based on what happened during it and are put out the following year, I.e. the 1996 ratings released in March of 1997, 1997 ratings released in 1998, and so on..
     
  9. lufcrazy

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    So they're not the year end rankings? But more actual annual rankings?

    Hmmmmm that changes the way I view them quite considerably if so...
     
  10. TAC602

    TAC602 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    What would be convenient is to have a database that lists the ratings for a particular month and year. Far too many things can (and do) change on an annual basis as far as where contenders and such were rated when a champion fought them, and this is even more true to further you delve back into history considering how many bouts a fighter could rack up in a month, much less 12.
     
  11. TAC602

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    People interpret them differently.

    For example, the 1984 Middleweight Ratings have Thomas Hearns as the No. 1 contender. They were released in 1985, and Hagler fought him then. In the 1985 Middleweight Ratings, they have John Mugabi listed as the No. 1 contender. He fought Mugabi in '86 and by god, that's when those ratings were released. In the '83 Ratings, Mustafa Hamsho is the No. 1 contender. Hagler fought him in 1984, when the '83 ratings came out. :good

    Check out Carlos Monzon's run.

    http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/The_Ring_Magazine's_Annual_Ratings:_Middleweight--1970s
     
  12. My dinner with Conteh

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    The ratings are basically a snapshot of a month in a year not the form shown throughout the year (hence why Monzon not ranked at end of 1977). The issue would be released late December/early Jan, but the date on the magazine would say March.
     
  13. lufcrazy

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    That's what i'd originally thought. So it's just one months ratings essentially?
     
  14. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    Yep. If a fighter was lucky he could appear in the December ranking as if he'd been there all year (like Tap Tap Makhatini at 160 in 1978). Monzon looks like he's a permanent fixture in the top 10 throughout 1970 if, by looking at the rankings, as he's placed #10 for 69 and #1 for 70, so it seems like he's steadily climbed up throughout the year, before producing that great performance to hammer Nino, but he disappears from the top 10 during that year and is back in after winning the title.
     
  15. My2Sense

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    Exactly.

    The rankings for each year are essentially how the rankings looked entering the next year, not in the midst of the year itself.