http://www.boxrec.com/media/index.php/The_Ring_Magazine's_Annual_Ratings:_Heavyweight--1990s Does anybody know, how The Ring Magazine ranked heavyweights in 1991 and 1997?
Well, I've found these ratings already:happy HEAVYWEIGHTS 1991: 1. Evander Holyfield 2. Mike Tyson 3. Riddick Bowe 4. Razor Ruddock 5. Ray Mercer 6. George Foreman 7. Tim Witherspoon 8. Tony Tucker 9. Lennox Lewis 10. Michael Moorer HEAVYWEIGHTS 1997: 1. Evander Holyfield 2. Lennox Lewis 3. Micheal Moorer 4. Ray Mercer 5. Tim Witherspoon 6. George Foreman 7. Shannon Briggs 8. Ike Ibeabuchi 9. David Tua 10. David Izon
I was going to say, I know I had them noted at home so I could get them later...but you've got them anyway, so no problem! So David Izon made it into an annual top ten then, good for him. The good showing against Tua and knocking Savarese flat after his split-decision loss to Foreman I guess. The loss to Grant in early '98 derailed the Izon Train though...outlasting Derrick Jefferson in 2000 was his last hurrah I'd say.
Now I'll try to rank ATG Heavyweights, using these Rating. Lets start. Joe Louis was ranked as #1 HW during 12 years, he was ranked as TOP-3 HW 15 times and as TOP-10 HW 17 times. Rocky Marciano #1 - 4 times TOP-3 - 5 times TOP-10 - 6 times Sonny Liston #1 - 2 times TOP-3 - 5 times TOP-10 - 10 times Mohamed Ali #1 - 11 times TOP-3 - 17 times:shock: TOP-10 - 18 times Joe Frazier #1 - 3 times TOP-3 - 8 times TOP-10 - 10 times George Foreman #1 - 2 times (1973 and 1994 !!!) TOP-3 - 6 times TOP-10 - 13 times Larry Holmes #1 - 6 times TOP-3 - 8 times TOP-10 - 11 times Mike Tyson #1 - 2 times TOP-3 - 10 times TOP-10 - 13 times Riddick Bowe #1 - 2 times TOP-3 - 5 times TOP-10 - 7 times Evande Holyfield #1 - 6 times TOP-3 - 11 times TOP-10 - 15 times Lennox Lewis #1 - 5 times TOP-3 - 11 times TOP-10 - 13 times So, leaders are: #1: 1. Louis - 12 times 2. Ali - 11 3-4. Holmes/Holyfield - 6 5. Lewis - 5 6. Marciano - 4 7. Frazier - 3 8-11. Liston/Foreman/Tyson/Bowe - 2 TOP-3 HW: 1. Ali - 17 2. Louis - 15 3-4. Holy/Lewis - 11 5. Tyson - 10 6-7. Frazier/Holmes - 8 8. Foreman - 6 9-11. Marciano/Liston/Bowe - 5 TOP-10 HW 1. Ali - 18 2. Louis - 17 3. Holyfield - 15 4-6. Foreman/Tyson/Lewis - 13 7. Holmes - 11 8-9. Liston/Frazier - 10 10. Bowe - 7 11. Marciano - 6 These ratings are based on statistics only,which can't show as an aura of invincibility of such fighters as Tyson, Foreman, Liston and other aspects, such as skill level, power, chin, stamina etc. But basing on statistics we can estimate longetivity, achievements (I mean, being considered as #1 HW in the is great achievement - it should be estimated higher, than winning "paper" title)
I agree, Shmelling, Walcott, Charles, Paterson & Norton should be ranked higher than Bowe in all-time list. But I got bored making the list, so if you want, you can add mentioned fighters to the list.
One thing people seem to gloss over with the Ratings is that the rankings for each year are actually based on what happened during it and are put out the following year, I.e. the 1996 ratings released in March of 1997, 1997 ratings released in 1998, and so on..
So they're not the year end rankings? But more actual annual rankings? Hmmmmm that changes the way I view them quite considerably if so...
What would be convenient is to have a database that lists the ratings for a particular month and year. Far too many things can (and do) change on an annual basis as far as where contenders and such were rated when a champion fought them, and this is even more true to further you delve back into history considering how many bouts a fighter could rack up in a month, much less 12.
People interpret them differently. For example, the 1984 Middleweight Ratings have Thomas Hearns as the No. 1 contender. They were released in 1985, and Hagler fought him then. In the 1985 Middleweight Ratings, they have John Mugabi listed as the No. 1 contender. He fought Mugabi in '86 and by god, that's when those ratings were released. In the '83 Ratings, Mustafa Hamsho is the No. 1 contender. Hagler fought him in 1984, when the '83 ratings came out. :good Check out Carlos Monzon's run. http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/The_Ring_Magazine's_Annual_Ratings:_Middleweight--1970s
The ratings are basically a snapshot of a month in a year not the form shown throughout the year (hence why Monzon not ranked at end of 1977). The issue would be released late December/early Jan, but the date on the magazine would say March.
Yep. If a fighter was lucky he could appear in the December ranking as if he'd been there all year (like Tap Tap Makhatini at 160 in 1978). Monzon looks like he's a permanent fixture in the top 10 throughout 1970 if, by looking at the rankings, as he's placed #10 for 69 and #1 for 70, so it seems like he's steadily climbed up throughout the year, before producing that great performance to hammer Nino, but he disappears from the top 10 during that year and is back in after winning the title.
Exactly. The rankings for each year are essentially how the rankings looked entering the next year, not in the midst of the year itself.